Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Alike, Karnataka, Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva trust school bank account 'unfrozen'

Last updated on 22-Feb-2017

My Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1866316183584950, dated today (21-Feb-2017) shares Facebook post of Shri Chandrasekhar Bhat, https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=490409821347952&id=100011368159087, also dated today, which has a pic of an email from SBI (bank) to Alike school which reverts the 'frozen' bank account (changed signatories perhaps) to what it was earlier. The post also has the text, "WITH SPL GRACE OF LORDSAI BANK ACCEPTED THE STAY ORDER OF HIGH COURT AND CLEARED OUR BANK ACCOUNTS. JAI SAIRAM".

Given below is my share-comment on my Facebook post mentioned above.

Wonderful news! Thanks for sharing Shubha Ramesh Kumar. Appreciate your courage and hard work in reporting this matter.

Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan Naidu & co. seem to have been trying to starve Alike school of funds via freezing its bank account (or something like that). So happy to know that that underhand move has been defeated, at least temporarily.

Undoubtedly we have to thank Bhagavan for His Grace in this matter. However, I think we should also be grateful to Bhagavan's instrument in this matter, Shri S.S. Naganand, who moved the High Court with a writ petition to get quick results. Wonderful work by Shri S.S. Naganand and I think all genuine Sathya Sai devotees should support him in this matter of ensuring Sathya & Dharma in Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust and its managed institutions.
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Readers may want to see my related blog post, Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust board reconstitution resolutions removing S.S. Naganand as trustee, stayed for 15 days by Karnataka High Court, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/sri-sathya-sai-loka-seva-trust-board.html, dated 15-Feb-2017.
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Some additional comments on mine on the matter:

What a pathetic drama triggered by unethical moves of Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan Naidu and co.! Such is life even in educational institutions associated with spiritual movements in India!

Power! Power! Power! My God, how crazy some people are about power/control even in spiritual movements.

It is anti-spiritual actually as their power/control craze makes them lose their ethical and moral values.

Saturday, February 18, 2017

Competent persons can become threats to incompetent ones in ashram; Competent young men with kids, and well paid jobs should NOT rush to join

Last updated on 20-Feb-2017

My apologies right at the outset to those who feel hurt by the title of this post. But I felt that it is better to share my views on these unpleasant aspects of ashram systems rather than shove it under the carpet. Those readers who prefer to avoid reading such stuff may please skip reading the rest of this post.

The trigger for this post came from a conversation I had recently with another person about somebody who earlier was serving in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram, but later quit, got married and has children, and is now seriously considering whether he should consider serving as a full time employee in PN ashram system, if he gets the right job.

It has been my direct experience in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system, especially after Mahasamadhi, that my high level competence in software development became a threat to the Head of academic department (HOD) I was serving in. The HOD was incompetent in software development and had adopted anti-software development academic policies in the department after he had taken over as HOD. He could not tolerate the ACADEMIC SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTION success of students and me in an online schooling project that the ashram system had taken up in a big way, and so used Shakuni poison tactics, with support from higher academic authorities, to force me out of the department. For more details, readers may view my post, My May 2012 service record & record tampering related correspondence with --snip-- administrators, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/11/my-may-2012-service-record-record.html.

Essentially I had a choice of lowering my high level of competence in software development to suit the incompetence of the HOD, and become a yes-man to the HOD, to survive in the academic department where I was offering FREE SERVICE as a Visiting Faculty OR I had to leave the academic department. Since I was NOT FINANCIALLY DEPENDENT on the academic institution associated with the ashram system, for my simple ceiling-on-desires single/unmarried life, I chose the latter as the honourable, truthful and ethical option, the Sathya-Dharma option, to take.

Now I don't think my case of my high level of professional competence in my area of professional expertise becoming a problem for others, is exceptional in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system. I have heard of some similar cases where competent persons got targeted by incompetent heads and peers in the ashram system. I also think it will be similar in many other Indian ashram systems. Ashram systems are typically dictatorial and abuse of power by heads/bosses is common, if not rampant.

Given this situation, I would NOT advise Indian middle class (or lower/poor class) young married men who are professionally competent, and have young children, to leave well paid jobs in outside world and join Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system, UNLESS Bhagavan DIRECTLY instructs them to do so via a dream or vision. In the latter case (Bhagavan dream or vision instructions DIRECTLY conveyed to them), Bhagavan takes over and so we have to leave behind our human analysis stuff.

If such persons join PN system as an employee they have to learn how to survive in the system. If they are lucky, their bosses may be good. But sometimes they may land up with a boss who targets them and makes life miserable for them. They may then find that they cannot easily take the option of resigning from the ashram job and going back to outside world. I mean, it is not easy to get a suitable job again in the outside world and neither is it easy to shift a family with small children.

Higher education expenses for professional degrees like medicine or engineering, which may come into the picture around twelve years down the line for persons with K.G. going children now, is quite high and getting higher and higher in India. I have done some study on this in the past. Here's one of my blog posts related to it: Two Hindu articles on Radically reforming higher education, Student loan procedures and concerns; Aspiring Minds employment linkage to edX MOOC courses, http://eklavyasai.blogspot.in/2014/06/two-hindu-articles-on-radically.html, dated June 2014.

I know of cases where Puttaparthi locals (parents typically) have taken loans for the higher education of their children (e.g. Master of Computer Applications degree, Nursing degree) and found it/are finding it quite burdensome to service that debt. Yesterday evening a Puttaparthi local parent sought my advice for his son's engineering degree choices. I told him about Vellore Institute of Technology (VIT) being a great private college for engineering (with good job placement record) but whose expenses per year may be around Rs. 2 lakhs for tuition and hostel and other stuff! So the four year engg. degree at VIT could cost around Rs. 8 lakhs for the parents.

Not every student can get a merit seat in good government funded medical and engineering educational institutions whose tuition fees (and hostel expenses) are significantly lower than reputed private colleges.

Given all this background, I think the wiser option for young professionally competent, middle class or lower class/poor people with well paid jobs in outside world, who are married and have young children, is to stay in those jobs and NOT join PN ashram system UNLESS Bhagavan DIRECTLY tells them to do so in a vision/dream. Instead I would suggest they associate in a part-time volunteer capacity with Sathya Sai orgn. or with PN ashram. PN ashram system and Sathya Sai orgn. would need knowledgeable people who donate their free services and/or donate money at times, and they would be grateful for such services rendered. I mean, that's how these ashram systems work. It is an ecosystem of top-level office bearers (like trustees), patrons/donors, ashram paid staff, ashram honorary staff (with lesser workload & responsibility than paid staff typically) and devotees.

I must also say that if a person is unmarried, or is married but does not have children dependents, and is willing to lead ceiling-on-desires life, OR is so rich that he does not have to worry about money at all, Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system job and life can be very good and spiritually quite fulfilling. One learns over time how to compromise when dealing with powermongers and envious persons who may be in powerful positions, so that one survives in PN system. There is some level of moral challenge in having to employ such compromise tactics for survival in PN system, but it is not too bad, especially as compared to the moral challenges one faces in the outside world e.g. corporate power politics in Mumbai or Bangalore or Chennai.

I think what I have written above would be applicable for most ashram systems in India, irrespective of whether it is Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jain, Buddhist or multi-religion ashram.

I would like to end this post by sharing with readers a difficult story, in short, about a Christian pastor in a village near Puttaparthi. Note that this is about Telugu language Christian pastors catering to Telugu speaking villagers. Further note that I have been told that this(ese) particular Christian church(es) do not accept the divinity of Sathya Sai, BUT are NOT critical of him and are thankful to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba for all the good that he has done to Puttaparthi and surrounding villages.

Pastor P was assigned by a seemingly medium sized Christian mission based in a well known city of Andhra Pradesh, to cater to a church in this village that was built by the Christian mission. P did the typical pastor job of conducting services, building the church community and visiting the homes of the members of his congregation for prayers and other religious activities. P seems to have been paid a regular salary for this work by the Christian mission.

A few years later the senior people in the Christian mission decided to get involved directly with this village church managed by P. This seems to have created a problem between P and his mission elders resulting in P moving away and starting a separate church in the same village! The congregation got split. P no longer seemed to have got his salary from the Christian mission (naturally), and became dependent on those congregants he was able to attract to his new church. That seems to have brought great financial pressure on pastor P and his family having three children!

Now if pastor P was an unmarried priest like Catholic priests then it would not have been such a sad situation. Note that pastor P seems to be of Protestant Christian faith which allows for married pastors.

I wish Pastor P all the very best and pray to Lord Jesus Christ to help him and his family meet these challenges that he faces. I don't know whether Pastor P got some dream/vision of Jesus Christ advising him to part ways with his earlier Christian mission and start off on his own. If so, then it is a matter of faith and I will stay silent. But if Pastor P did it on his own urge then I have to say that it seems to me that as a family man with three children he should have acted more responsibly.
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Given below are some comment exchanges on Facebook post of mine,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1865009940382241, associated with this blog post.

Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Over the years I have observed the difficulties, first hand, of people with children trying to live and work in Parthi to be in the divine atmosphere. What you have written, Ravi S. Iyer, is so accurate. Thanks for posting this article. It may help people to re-think their life goals, for instance.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks a ton, Terry Reis Kennedy for your encouraging comment. It really helps me when I get such encouragement.
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Many people just love your writing, Ravi S. Iyer. But hardly any take the time to express themselves. Usually, they don't understand how difficult writing and researching and organizing are. Readers assume that writers just sit down and toss things off the top of their heads.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks once again, Terry Reis Kennedy. My writing style could surely be better. However I have consciously chosen to focus on truthful capture, analysis and sharing using a hurried software developer/software analyst kind of writing style. If I take more time to polish the English language in the posts, I will not be able to cover as much ground as I do now. In other words, I am focusing on quickly logging the data and the analysis, and not bothering so much about writing style and ease of comprehension for the reader.

This leaves open the possibility that somebody down the line finds some of this content useful and decides to change the presentation of the content using more polished English language and better organization perhaps. Note that I have clearly written on my blog associated with these posts that any of my content in these blog posts can be FREELY REUSED in any way (including adaptation). That also leaves open the possibility of somebody, acting as an editor of interested posts (my content part) on my blog, creating a copyrighted work which can earn the person money (for the time & effort put in). Note that the copyright and money would be for the edited work and will NOT impact the original work being free for anybody to see and reuse.

I am not interested in having any part of such money earned by such editing work, and I would be happy for the person who earned some money from some edited versions of my posts.
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Earning money for writing is so difficult. You need to find the publisher first....who really wants the work. then you give him/her what he wants......
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks for your experienced view, Terry Reis Kennedy. I think earning money for spiritual writings would be even more difficult!

I think that is why a lot of spiritual writings stuff, including editing I guess, is done by spiritual aspirants who view that work as a sadhana/spiritual effort, rather than a money earning opportunity. However, sometimes they may keep a money earning angle, at least to recover costs incurred for the work they have done.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I should also add that low-cost-publishing (also called self-publishing if I recall correctly) seems to have come of age in India. So people can come out with printed copies of their books, at their own cost. However, book sales without the marketing effort and sales channels that a regular & reputed publisher provides, is another matter altogether.

I got some exposure to such low-cost-publishing as a correspondent of mine, a senior Indian computer scientist, Mathai Joseph, used that route or similar route, to publish his book, Digital Republic, http://mathaijoseph.com/. I mean, he did not have a regular publisher like Penguin as I think the regular Indian publishers were (perhaps rightly) skeptical of the market in India for such a book. Note that the site has review comments from some top people in Indian and international IT field.

I approached Sai Towers to put up his book on their shop window, which they agreed to when I provided a free copy for that purpose to them. But nobody showed interest in buying it even though it was there on the shop window for months!

You would know more about these Indian "self-publishing" websites. But here's one such site's plans: http://www.self-publish.in/plans.html, in case you want to have a look.
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Uma Ragunathan wrote:
Anna, i support your point of view :-)
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks sister Uma Ragunathan.
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Kallepalli Lakshmi Narayana Deepak wrote:
Very good post sir. One point I would like to tell; there are people at lower cadre who flatter these power mongers and hence they are able to do such asathya and adharma activities. If people at lower cadre are united, these power mongers would definitely become fishes without water. Essence is that part of the blame goes to selfish people under them
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks brother Kallepalli Lakshmi Narayana Deepak for your appreciation of my post and other parts of your comment.

See, I would not be so harsh on lower cadre paid (or honorary) ashram staff. In dictatorial/feudal systems which is what PN ashram system is, some level of sycophancy is inescapable. Those of the lower cadre paid staff who seek higher position and pay, and sometimes even honorary staff who seek higher position and power (but not pay), would note that sycophancy leads to more opportunities for career growth in the ashram system. So some of them who are keen for career growth will indulge in sycophancy. Expecting everybody in the lower cadre staff to be above such desires is not realistic.

In dictatorial/feudal systems like PN ashram system, the saying, Yatha Raja Tatha Praja (As is the King so are the subjects), is very much applicable. If the heads/bosses of various departments discourage sycophancy and encourage fair criticism within their departments, then it creates a healthy working environment even within a dictatorial/feudal system like PN ashram system. Mind you, fair criticism is based on evidence and logically developed opinions. Personal level abuse, fabricated evidence and motivated criticism to **fix** somebody is unfair criticism and should be rejected outright.

Unfortunately, in many departments of dictatorial/feudal type ashram systems like PN ashram I think that department heads/bosses view even fair criticism as attacks on them and show their displeasure when such fair criticism is made. That scares lower cadre staff into quiet submission, which in turn, over time, leads such heads/bosses to become more intolerant to fair criticism, and more encouraging of sycophancy. It is not uncommon for such heads/bosses to then live in a sycophant created artificial reality bubble, quite disconnected from the reality on the ground. Eventually the sycophancy created artificial reality bubble bursts but by then lots of damage would have been done to the department headed by such a boss.

Heading departments in dictatorial/feudal type ashram systems like PN ashram is a test of character, in my considered opinion. Will such a person stay away from abusing his/her power? The words of perhaps the most famous USA president, and from my Indian perspective the greatest USA president, Abraham Lincoln, in this context, are very apt: "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Source: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin101343.html. Perhaps this quote should be framed and put up in corridors of power in PN ashram system and other Indian ashram systems.
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Taruni Tarun wrote (Edited):
Sai ram Brother .. I don't know anything about the structural functioning at Puttaparthi. Yet I can understand this and fully endorse your views that a young married person with family commitments like finanical caring for children/ family etc better be working outside. In general Puttaparthi job is perhaps ideal for post retirment life after settling children (if any) or for singles. Even for retired family persons it is best suited perhaps only after having sufficient money for taking care of self and or spouse! That is to say work at Puttaparthi for spending time in a good way as an honorary service after a certain age.

However even honorary services might not suit everybody's mindset due to various reasons like not so good boss or work environment polluted with negative qualities. In the case of honorary service not suiting the mind set .....but they want to be at parthy and pray to Swami sannidhi daily then it is better to attend the sai activities staying there as an outsider and pray at sannidhi daily or as per their wish ....but not get involved in the work activities !

Or if they want to be at parthy but dont feel like visiting sannidhi daily and are content with Swami in their hearts then better quietly stay in the pilgrimage town of parthy as that it self is a great blessing!

Coming to the world outside must say that our beloved Swami has had brilliant fore sight on all this and hence in the outside world there are so many sai samithis or sai centres and there are numerous oppurtunities for family people for serving the under privileged and self spiritual development with or without any money. If they want to serve with money but no time for attending service activities then they could voluntarily fund sai samithis towards the good work! Or if there is no money to be given then they could give their labour or just help around or just take part.

One may argue there are internal poltics at some samithis and sai centres..but as long as humans exist all this would be there in some form or the other! However it is definitely possible not to get involved in any such politics but carry on our sai services and spiritual sadhanas with focus only on swami and his messages . Our swami has provided us with such (facilities through his) wisdom (and) thorugh his wonderful messages. Sorry for the very long post. Jai sai ram.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks sister Taruni Tarun for your valuable view. Jai Sairam!
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Very good comment by Taruni Tarun
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Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote:
Brother you are keeping it very real :-). It's no rosy path and one shouldn't expect that Swami will make it magical if one with all the family baggage decides to settle in the ashram. It will be challenging and a lot do readjustment will be required. However I do have tremendous respect for those couples who chose to consciously dedicate their lives at Swami's feet knowing fully well the circumstances and raise their families there. Thanks for keeping it real.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks for your comment, sister Shubha Ramesh Kumar. I agree with you fully on "tremendous respect for those couples who chose to consciously dedicate their lives at Swami's feet knowing fully well the circumstances and raise their families there". I think those PN ashram system employees who raise their children while living in PN system are also Tyagajeevis when viewed from a broader perspective. The unmarried employees who are part of PN system can happily live with the salaries they get and with the privileged services ("staff" services) provided by the ashram system to its employees. Some of these chaps have a free & happy bird look on their faces. May God bless them :-). It is good to have some happy faces who will hopefully spread some of that happiness around. Swami would "hate" to see castor oil (unhappy) faces among his servitors. Swami wanted his servitors to be happy.

It is the married PN ashram employees with kids who will rarely have time to stop and talk on the street. Juggling work, family, other ashram pressure, managing the family expenses with decent salary now after Mahasamadhi, but not high salary as compared to Indian corporate salaries, especially for single income families, etc. is NOT EASY. But surely their children would be a source of great joy to them, which may more than make up for a very busy lifestyle. And these children are, many times, not only a source of joy to the parents, but also to the ashram community including many unmarried employees and devotees.

So it is nice to have a blend of unmarried employees and family employees in PN ashram system, IMHO.

However, higher education expenses for children today in Indian middle class and even lower class families is a major source of parental anxiety, and sometimes even anxiety for the children/young adults themselves as they may themselves get trapped in onerous student loan problems. So parents with young kids wanting to take up jobs in PN ashram system should plan for such eventualities by making appropriate savings over time, unless they are rich people anyway in which case they need not have any worries on this count.

Now Shubha you have said that I am keeping it very real. That's right. But some readers may think I am being too pessimistic. So let me tell you what happened in one case of PN ashram system employee after Mahasamadhi who got into major life problems as he was faced with professional higher education costs for his child(ren).

Note that some of the students that I taught in the Sai university who became SSSCT/PN ashram system employees (I include institutions outside Puttaparthi which are managed by SSSCT) and are friendly with me even now, as well as some junior colleagues in the Sai university who are similarly friendly to me even now, got married after Mahasamadhi and some of them have children now. As I tend to provide advice to some of them in person, and as now I am a social media writer on spirituality & religion, I felt it appropriate to share my views on this topic as this Facebook post and my comments on this post. The comments of others on this post adds significantly to the discussion. All this may be useful for others, especially young married couples considering to be part of not only PN ashram system but any Indian ashram system (including Muddenahalli group ashram system) as its employees, and dedicating their lives to the mission of the ashram system. Therefore I felt it appropriate to share this sad PN ashram system employee case.

This gentleman was a teacher in Swami's school in PN for decades, I believe. Perhaps from the pressure he was facing from meeting higher education costs of his children (including one daughter pursuing medicine/dentistry), sometime after Mahasamadhi, he decided to become aggressive in his dispute over some salary dues that he felt he was owed by the school, over a period of many years which according to his calculations came to a hefty sum. That resulted in hardening of stance from the PN ashram authorities managing the school, leading to his removal from the job, perhaps sometime in 2012 (or maybe it was 2013). Then he got into a legal case with the school where his lawyer seemed to have promised him quick victory!! Sadly for him, the legal case did not progress anywhere close to the speed that he wanted, with the 2014 Andhra Pradesh-Telangana split making it worse. Even today, I don't think his legal case to get his dues as per his calculations has progressed towards a decision in his favour.

Meanwhile this guy's life went through extraordinary trauma. He did not have enough money power to handle his family's expenses once his salary from Swami's school stopped. His wife got sick (perhaps the trauma triggered the sickness) and was admitted to Swami general hospital. Fortunately, she recovered with the treatment given there. I was very happy to see that even though he was fighting with PN ashram school and perhaps had already gone the legal route, his wife was given (free) treatment at Swami's general hospital.

It slowly became known that he had borrowed money from his former school and other ashram colleagues. Some Puttaparthi local guy asked me one day whether I knew this person. When I indicated that I knew him, this local guy sought help from me to recover some money he (the local) had given to him!!! Of course, I did NOT get involved in this money matter but expressed my sympathies to the local who is not a rich guy, runs a small shop (I won't say what kind of shop to hide his identity) and has a wife and young child of his own to cater to. I mean, this local guy has got really hit hard by his loan to this former Swami schoolteacher not being repaid, and which loan he claims to have given out of the respect he had for the schoolteacher and now very much regrets that he gave that loan.

This gentleman (former school teacher) tried various new avenues to earn a living. As he was a Sanskrit teacher he tried to get into paid religious consultant/advisor kind of business. He now seems to have moved to one of the big cities of South India and seems to have settled into an "Astro Yoga" paid spiritual advisor business/living, with an appropriate look including beard to match.

I wish this gentleman all the very best and pray to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba that his financial travails get resolved quickly and that he repays all the loans he has taken from people, and that his children are able to comfortably complete their higher education (including medicine/dentistry).

One of the reasons for me to share these realities of post-Mahasamadhi PN ashram system people's lives is to help youngsters who consider moving to PN ashram system as a full time employee, be aware of ground realities of PN ashram system and so make an INFORMED DECISION with respect to moving to PN ashram system. In particular, I would like my writings to help avoid repeats of the legal case and financial trauma that the former Sai school teacher underwent/is undergoing. Such matters are not good for both the PN ashram system employee concerned AS WELL AS PN ashram system.
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Friday, February 17, 2017

I condemn the racist slur against Nepali and Nepali origin Indians made by Muddenahalli group troll Fake Id Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident

Given below is a comment I made on Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/shubha.kumar/posts/10157972934605538, which I felt appropriate to share as a blog post:

I unequivocally condemn such a racist slur made by the MDH troll against Nepalis and Nepali origin Indians. That's an unacceptable low in this back-and-forth going on, on Facebook, between the MDH troll and others including Chiran Basnet.

Nepal is a Hindu state - one of the world's few Hindu states. I am given to understand it has stayed true to Hindu traditions. No wonder many Nepali and Nepali origin Indians became staunch devotees of Kali Yuga Avatar, Shiva Shakti Swarupa Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

I should also say that India and Nepal share a very close bond even if there have been some periods of strain.

My first exposure to Sathya Sai organization was Sathya Sai Seva samithi, Dombivli (near Mumbai, Maharashtra). It had a Nepali/Nepali origin Indian, an ex Indian Navy person, hailing from Darjeeling area, as its convenor. I am not mentioning his name as I don't want to drag his name into this conversation. If I recall correctly, he had served on INS Vikrant, India's first aircraft carrier, and also sustained a significant injury while on duty on INS Vikrant (or perhaps it was on some other Indian Navy ship). He was living in Naval quarters then in Colaba, South Bombay, I believe and so attended Sai organization functions in Colaba. Later, after retirement, he moved to Dombivli, got associated with the samithi and later was made convenor.

If I recall correctly, he had multiple interviews with Bhagavan where Bhagavan was encouraging him and giving him more vigour in handling his Sai organization responsibilities. I recall how he told me that in one interview he sought permission from Bhagavan to kiss his lotus feet, which permission Bhagavan gave him and so he could satisfy his heartfelt desire of kissing Bhagavan's lotus feet.

He also would come to Prasanthi Nilayam for Seva, and on at least one occasion was assigned the duty of guarding Swami's Poornachandra residence. That was a natural fit for him given his Indian Navy background. He also told me of an incident, I think before 1995/96, when a huge Croatian, overcome with emotion, had tried to rush towards Swami (perhaps not with any violent intent). I don't recall clearly whether he was one of the people then who had to stop the huge Croatian from getting physically close to Swami and doing some harm at physical level to Swami, even if it was unintentional (I mean, a huge Croatian rushing at Swami may have led to Swami falling down or something like that).

When I first associated with the official Sai organization in the early 90s (in Dombivli), I was stunned to see such dedication from this gentleman in his capacity as convenor and also from his wife. They showered me with their love, told me a lot about the organization, and were very devoted to Bhagavan. Uncle was also strict in his discipline being a former Indian Navy man. Both uncle and auntie did tremendous loyal, courageous and devoted service to Dombivli Sathya Sai organization and through it to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, and I was a direct witness to it during the years 1993 or 1994 until 2002 when I moved to Parthi from Dombivli. At a personal sadhana level too they both were very, very devoted to Swami.

Very, very unfortunately, convenor uncle did face a less harsh but still racist slur from a splinter group head in Dombivli. I commiserated and sympathized with him when he told me about it (it had happened a little before I joined the samithi).

I shared the above to show that I personally have benefited from my association with Nepali/Nepali origin Indian Sai devotee office bearers of Sai orgn. Not only did they guide me about Prasanthi Nilayam and Sai orgn, and Swami at physical form level, their satsang helped me imbibe some of their deep devotion to Swami.

By the MDH troll casting such a terrible racist slur on Nepalis, in my considered opinion, the MDH troll has cheapened the Muddenahalli group. What would Nepali and Nepali origin people who are believers in Muddenahalli group feel when they read such comments? Pathetic stuff! And if these comments have come from a Sai university alumnus, it is a matter of SHAME for Sai university that one of its products has descended to such low racist slur level for our valued and loved Nepali and Nepali origin Indian people.

Madhusudan Naidu is growing in holy man stature among his followers; Why can't he follow Premananda by becoming Madhu Baba!

Last updated on 17th Feb 2017

Anonymous Facebook (FB) user wrote recently on private FB chat (slightly edited):
Dear Ravi, keep it up. Your journalism and reporting of the truth as you and many see it is heroic. I turn to your pages these days to hear about the Alike developments, --snip--. The vibhooti spectacle proves nothing. Even IF he can materialize it it means nothing. See this video of Swami Premananda materializing vibhooti and lingams. Sai ram --name-snipped--

Swami Premananda Mahashivarathri 1994, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTjVC4EuB7o, 8 min. 32 secs.

Plus I wanted to share a way to fill the day with Sai Darshans you might not know. Go to the Sai Love youtube site access their playlist and press 'play all' then 'shuffle'. Enjoy, Sai Ram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8JK6SDU9RI&list=PLD9aFxIvO8i8-sd5L4FK2Boq80JR4g7LB
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I responded (slightly edited):
Thanks --name-snipped--. Went through the videos. May I share your message ANONYMOUSLY on Facebook and my blog? Please don't feel obliged to say, Yes. It is OK if you prefer that it is not shared.
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Anonymous FB user responded:
Hi Ravi. A big YES. it is an honour for me that you share the post. Sai Ram
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I responded (slightly edited):
Thanks --name-snipped--. Jai Sairam!
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--- end FB chat conversation ---

Ravi: I later looked up the wiki page on Swami Premananda. I have given some extracts later on in this post.

I think it is clear that Madhusudan Rao Naidu is steadily expanding his "godman" role. We now have pics of him giving vibhuti powder (not vibhuti packets) to a devotee like how Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba used to give vibhuti.  I have been told that Madhusudan is referred to as Swami by many in Muddenahalli ashram. I think it is a natural growth in holy man type stature that Madhusudan has acquired among Muddenahalli group devotees over these past few years. Now some readers may vehemently disagree with my above statements referring to Madhusudan as "godman" and as having acquired holy man type stature among Muddenahalli group followers. But I think what I have written seems to be true. Note that I am not accepting his FALSE CLAIM of being a communicator of Sathya Sai, and neither am I saying that he is viewed as a holy man by all Sathya Sai devotees. All I am saying is that within Muddenahalli group/following Madhusudan has acquired a holy man stature.

I am NOT BUGGED or ANGERED in any way with Muddenahalli group followers viewing Madhusudan as a Swami/holy man. I believe that Madhusudan, as an Indian citizen has the right to preach and cater to his following. Further his followers have a right to worship him and follow him.

The ONLY ISSUE I have, which is a VERY BIG ISSUE, is that he is using the name of my beloved Guru, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, for his (Madhusudan's) darshan, interviews and discourses. And there, in my considered view, he is MISGUIDING thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide. That part really BUGS ME.

What Madhusudan should do is to follow the example of Swami Premananda or Bala Sai Baba of Kurnool or Sanjay Sai Baba of Nepal. Madhusudan could get known as Madhu Baba. Instead of his discourses being published as Sathya Sai Uvacha they can be published as Madhu Baba Uvacha.

Then he can use all kinds of fund collection techniques including what was initially planned at MDH group event in Colorado, USA, which event seems to have now been cancelled. I mean, Madhu Baba can charge people money for attending his darshan events! I will not have any issue whatsoever.

While I know some readers may disagree vehemently with my view, I do not mind if Madhusudan even uses the name, Madhu Sai Baba. But let him STOP using the name of Sathya Sai Baba!!!

[Update on 17-Feb-2017: Before the wikipedia extracts below I would like to inform users of a comment put up on my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1863943040488931, associated with this post.
Vivek Chhibba wrote: In the name of objectivity, I think it's fair that your readers also view this page to get the background of the court case on Swami Premananda. It can be seen here: http://justice-for-premananda.org/.
--- end comment ---

There are some other interesting comments too from Vivek Chibba on the above mentioned Facebook post.
end-Update]

Some extracts from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Premananda_(guru):

Prem Kumar (Nov. 17 1951 – Feb. 21 2011), better known as Swami Premananda, originally from Sri Lanka, was an Indian guru who founded the Premananda ashram. He was convicted of multiple counts of rape and a murder in 1997.
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Originally from Sri Lanka, Kumar had an ashram and orphanage there, in Matale. He moved to India with his followers in 1984 to escape the Sri Lankan Civil War, bringing with him undocumented Sri Lankan orphans who had been in his care. He initially opened an ashram in a rented building in Tiruchirappalli, then moved to Fatimanagar in 1989. The ashram there covered 150 acres of land with plantations of flowers, fruit, and teak. The ashram served as a shelter for women and orphan children. About 200 people lived in the ashram, most of Sri Lankan origin. Branches of the ashram later opened in the UK, Switzerland, Belgium and other countries.
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On 20 August 1997, Premananda was sentenced to life imprisonment and fined 67.3 lakhs for 13 counts of rape, molestations of two girls and a murder. Failure to pay the fine was to carry an additional term of 32 years and 9 months. He was also convicted of cheating the residents of his ashram, which carried another one-year sentence. Six others were also found guilty of conspiracy to commit rapes and destroying evidence. Five were given life sentences. In view of the severity of the crimes, the judge denied them any future remission of their sentences or amnesty by any state or central government.

Premananda appeared unperturbed by the sentences and while talking to reporters, said: "Truth will ultimately triumph".
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In January 2000, the Madras High Court ordered that 36.4 lakhs from Premananda's frozen accounts should be placed in a fixed deposit for three years and the resulting interest should be paid to the victims as compensation. The original guilty verdict was appealed to the Madras High Court and the appeal was rejected in December 2002.

In April 2005, the Supreme Court of India rejected an appeal. On 5 February 2009, the Madras High Court rejected a habeas corpus petition, keeping in view the recommendations of the district sessions judge at the time of conviction and the previous Supreme Court order. On 26 June 2010, however, the same court accepted Premananda's petition requesting a three-month parole to undergo medical treatment.

As of 2005 a European named Doris was running the ashram who said that Premananda was innocent.
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Premananda died on 21 February 2011 of acute liver failure, while being held in Cuddalore Central Prison. Until his death, he continued to say he was innocent.
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On 16 November 2014, Swami Premananda's birth anniversary was observed by his devotees at the residence of C. V. Vigneswaran in Colombo, Sri Lanka. On 22 February 2015, the Swami Premananda International Conference was held in Colombo. It was attended by A. T. Ariyaratne, founder of the Sarvodaya Shramadana Movement, D. M. Swaminathan, a Sri Lankan Cabinet Minister, C. V. Vigneswaran, the Chief Minister of the Northern Province, and about 50 delegates from various countries including Argentina, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Italy, Nepal, the UK, the US, Sweden, Switzerland, India and Poland.
--- end extracts from wiki page of Swami Premananda ---

Here is an interesting video of Swami Premananda perhaps while he was allowed to go out of prison for a short while for medical treatment, Swami Premananda - Satsang : "I am not in prison", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAzf_wu4sAk, 11 min. 20 secs.
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Some comments of mine, besides update comment given earlier, from associated Facebook  post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1863943040488931, are given below.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, I am not saying that Swami Premananda or Bala Sai Baba were/are con artists. They were/are holy men with a following. Swami Premananda claimed that he was framed/conspired against. I don't know what is the truth. But it is well known that spiritual ashram heads in India do become a target for false conspiracies made against them by their enemies and vested interests. There is quite some history related to it in India.

I read the article, "THE TRUE STORY OF THE CASE AGAINST SWAMI PREMANANDA AS TOLD BY ARULJOTHI", http://justice-for-premananda.org/aruljothi/. It portrays the conspiracy side of the matter.

If you can make the time, do have a look at this video: Swami Premananda - Satsang : "I am not in prison", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAzf_wu4sAk, 11 min. 20 secs. I found it to be quite impressive. Premananda comes across as somebody who has maintained his spiritual balance even when he was under a prison sentence. The video seems to have been made when he was allowed out of prison on parole for a short while for medical treatment.

But his case judgement went from trial court to high court and to Supreme court of India, with the trial court judgement against him being upheld. And he was represented by one of India's leading lawyers, Ram Jethmalani. That's the other side of the matter.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I found this Premananda Mahasamadhi video to be quite interesting. Undoubtedly he had won the hearts of many people who adored him as their Guru and Swami. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqoiUHGmi8g, around 18 mins.
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[I thank wikipedia and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above extracts from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Thursday, February 16, 2017

Sathya Sai: I do not involve Myself in money matters. But people today consider money as God. How can such people be called devotees?

Given below is a message from a former Sai university student of mine, sent over Facebook private chat yesterday, 15-Feb-2017, afternoon, which I felt appropriate to share publicly. I have edited it slightly to make it more readable but have not altered the content.

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Sir, listen to discourse of swami on 22nd july 2002 in asia stream now.

We are undertaking so many social welfare activities, but I have never asked anybody even for a paisa. You are all aware of this. I do not involve Myself in money matters. But people today consider money as God. How can such people be called devotees? I told you earlier about this. I

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have started a service programme to look after children who do not have parents. One lakh rupees would be deposited in their name, which will take care of their needs. I have not asked anybody for any help in this regard. But today some people are collecting money saying that they would donate the amount to Swami for this purpose. Some others are proclaiming that they have taken up the responsibility of looking after the children. Can there be a worse sin than this? All such people are betrayers of God. Better they beg in the streets, than use My name to collect money.

By Swami

He clearly told:

Marketing with Swami’s name is highly disgusting and distressful. There can be no commerce in matters of devotion. Even the salty ocean may yield drinkable water, but this kind of devotion is worthless. It is already late. Swami never solicits donations from anybody nor He has agents for propagating His Message. I do not have any association whatsoever with these deceitful persons. Swami needs no material wealth. The only need of Swami is genuine love.

Earlier, it was quite different; devotees were few, but they were genuine. Nowadays, there are too many self-seeking cheats masquerading as devotees. First thing in the morning, they adorn their forehead with vibhuti, wrap a scarf round their neck and roam about freely in the guise of devotees. Even the stray dogs scrounging around for something to eat are better than such fake devotees!

Your Heart Only Need Be My Temple

Embodiments of Love!
Develop love in you. Swami needs no temples or rest houses. The temple of your heart is more than enough. Swami shall stay happily therein. The news that I get from those so-called temples is highly distressing to Me. The amount of anguish that I undergo because of these is beyond your imagination. Do not do bad acts in the name of God.
--- end Facebook chat message from my former Sai university student ---

Ravi: I wrote back to him, "Interesting! Why don't you share it on your Facebook post?".

But there has been no response from him. So I decided to share his message publicly. Perhaps that's why he sent it to me.

I would also like to use this opportunity to advise Sai university alumni, especially former students of mine, to be COURAGEOUS in freely sharing Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's messages on their Facebook pages. Don't be afraid to share such messages of Bhagavan on your Facebook pages! Muddenahalli group will not be able to do anything to you just because you have shared Swami's message. I have the firm faith that Bhagavan will protect you, his students, when you are spreading his messages on social media.

[In Telugu (please excuse mistakes in my not-so-great Telugu)] Dhairyam undala! Mana Sathya Sai Devudu maata prajalalo dhairyanga cheppandi. Dharmo rakshati rakshitaha! Sathya Sai Devudu, elanti vishayamlo, tappaka mimmalni kapadatadu.]

I would also like to say that institutions built using large money donations like free hospitals and schools should not be confused to be proof of the claims of anybody, no matter how senior in Sai fraternity and no matter what his association is with Sai university, of being medium or communicator or dream-instruction-successor of Sathya Sai. If a set of associated trusts gets around Rs. 1000 crores as donations in a key year of its operations, surely it will be able to build a lot of free hospitals and schools. It is COMMENDABLE that they have done such free service to humanity institutions. But it is CONDEMNABLE that they are using these institutions to promote FALSE CLAIMS of some person(s) being a communicator/medium/dream-instruction-messenger of Sathya Sai as Bhagavan has on so many occasions, publicly said that he NEVER communicates with his devotees through intermediaries (communicators/mediums/dream-instruction-messengers) and that his communication with his devotees is DIRECT between him and the devotee.

In my considered view, devotion to Sathya Sai should NOT BE MEASURED and TOM-TOMMED by number of free service schools and hospitals some people create. I think that alone is a FALSE MEASURE. It is the Bhavam (feeling) with which that free service is conducted and the purity of thought, word and deed associated with that service that is the most important devotional aspect. NOT the number of free service schools and hospitals created!!!

Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Madhusudan Rao Naidu now gives Vibhuti powder to Sai devotees taking his imitation of Swami to higher levels

Facebook post, "HORRIBLE EVIDENCE OF HOW THIS FRAUDSTER & IMPOSTER MADHUSUDAN NAIDU IS IMITATING SWAMI BY GIVING VIBHUTHI TO INNOCENT DEVOTEES", https://www.facebook.com/saimemories/posts/1332942350085668, dated Feb-14-2017 of Facebook user Saibliss has the pictorial evidence of Madhusudan Rao Naidu taking his impersonation/imitation act of Bhagavan to the higher level of supposedly blessing devotees by giving vibhuti powder (not Vibhuti packets) to them. Those pics are given below with the lady devotee's face blanked out:



Pics courtesy: Saibliss Facebook user

I don't know whether Madhusudan Naidu has the siddhi power of materializing vibhuti or procuring vibhuti using paranormal powers from some nearby place, or whether he just acts as if he has materialized vibhuti, or whether he simply takes vibhuti powder from elsewhere in the room openly in front of the devotee and gives it to the devotee, thereby not giving any impression of materialization.

Given below is a comment of mine made yesterday night/today early morning on the original post shared below:
Hmm. So it seems Madhusudan Rao Naidu is now acting as if Bhagavan has materialized vibhuti in his palm and is giving that to the lady. I mean, it is not taking a plastic vibhuti packet from his pocket and giving it to the lady, which is what I had presumed he was doing earlier.

This is very worrying as it will fool more & more devotees into believing his imitation actions.

And I agree, to some extent, with the statements, "Madhusudan naidu has become a blot on the student community, tarnished their image to such an extent that people have lost respect for the Sai Students. It is high time Sai brothers who owe everything to Swami voice out and openly condemn this blasphemy and sacrilege."

But I think most Sai students have taken a vow of silence in public on such matters. SILENT WITNESS to Madhusudan Rao Naidu imitation of our beloved Lord!

And people like us who write about it, get requests by elders to stop such writings - I got one today. I unfriended the gentleman as I saw there was no point in trying to explain to him that being SILENT WITNESS to Asathya & Adharma in this Muddenahalli group matter is NOT WHAT Bhagavan has taught as per his public discourses over the decades. Jai Sairam!
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Sri Narasimhamurthy is plain wrong in reported criticism of Prasanthi Nilayam devotees as doing pradakshina of samadhi thinking Swami is not in Muddenahalli

Comments I made on the Facebook post of Shubha Ramesh Kumar, 'Shirdi Baba said "My tomb shall bless and speak to the needs of my devotees" It is therefore only natural that we worship and throng the Samadhi of our beloved Sai Ma in Prashanti Nilayam', https://www.facebook.com/shubha.kumar/posts/10157957648230538 dated 15-Feb-2017, are given below:

This comment of mine presumes that sister Shubha's English translation of the audio she refers to is correct.

I think it is very rich for Sri Narasimhmamurthy (BNNM) who has DISOBEYED the instructions of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba with respect to mediums and communicators, and who is promoting the FALSE BELIEF in so called communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu, to criticize people who worship the samadhi of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba at Prasanthi Nilayam. I don't think such devotees who worship the samadhi at Prasanthi Nilayam say that Bhagavan is not there in Muddenahalli. So BNNM is plain wrong there.

What many people of Prasanthi Nilayam say is that Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim of being a so called communicator of Bhagavan goes against the public instructions and teachings of Bhagavan!!! Madhusudan Rao Naidu is not saying the words of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba!!!

Creation of many free schools and colleges and free medical service institutions cannot JUSTIFY promoting an imitator who may have some siddhi powers, as a communicator of Bhagavan. Neither can many such free service institutions be a proof of Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims being true!!!

The International Red Cross, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_of_the_Red_Cross, and Medicines Sans Frontieres, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9decins_Sans_Fronti%C3%A8res, do extraordinary and much required medical relief work in many places worldwide. There surely must be Christian missionary educational institutions which are far bigger in their operations than what Muddenahalli group is doing. But they do not promote mediums and communicators of divine figures like Jesus Christ and use their vast institutional network to justify such medium and communicator claims!

For spiritual work, not only should the ends be good but the means also should be good. By using the not-good means of Madhusudan Rao Naidu FALSE CLAIM of being a communicator of Bhagavan, it is my considered view that Sri Narasimhamurthy and other leaders of Muddenhalli group have chosen a false belief and therefore fragile foundation for the spiritual movement they are creating. They are misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide by endorsing and promoting this FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara is what Bhagavan told us to follow. How can using the Asathya & Adharma of Madhusudan Rao Naidu imitating some aspects of Bhagavan, and DISOBEYING the instructions of Bhagavan by claiming to be a medium/communicator of his, be viewed as following Bhagavan's teachings and instructions???

It is very sad to see a close and long-time servitor of Bhagavan, a former warden of Bhagavan's university, publicly endorse and promote such false belief. Jai Sairam!
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[In response to a request to sister Shubha to take the "sickening" pics down, I wrote as follows (slightly edited):]
No --name-snipped--. The pics should stay up. I plan to share them shortly (from SaiBliss post). We have to inform and educate the Sathya Sai community about what these FALSE BELIEF purveyors are doing using the HOLY NAME of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
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[In response to comment of Ajith Padyana who is a former student of mine from Sai university, and so personally known to me, "What Shubha madam has written is absolutely nice translation from Kannada to English. Swami has to take care of these fools. No more respect to these frauds", I wrote as follows: ]

Thanks Ajith Padyana for backing up Shubha Ramesh Kumar's translation from Kannada to English. As I don't know Kannada I needed some confirmation of Shubha's words before I shared this post on my timeline, as the words are related to Sri Narasimhamurthy and are sensitive. Will share this post shortly.
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Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust board reconstitution resolutions removing S.S. Naganand as trustee, stayed for 15 days by Karnataka High Court

Last updated on 16-Feb-2017

HC stays board resolution removing trustee, http://www.deccanherald.com/content/596482/hc-stays-board-resolution-removing.html, dated Feb. 15th 2017

A couple of sentences from the above article are reproduced below:
Justice V Veerappa [of Karnataka High Court] passed an interim order, staying for 15 days the resolution of the board of trustees [of Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust] at a meeting held at Muddenahalli in Chikkaballapur district on January 21, 22 and 23, and ordered an emergent notice to the respondents.

In the petition, Nagananda said he was removed for questioning the illegal acts of the trust secretary B N Narasimha Murthy and other trustees ...
--- end short extract from deccanherald news article ---

Ravi: I would like to inform readers that I have read the main part of the Writ Petition filed by Sri S.S. Naganand in Karnataka High Court which has been referred to in the Deccan Herald article above. As it is a legal matter, I will need to take permission from my elder sister if I were to share details of this writ petition. I don't want to bother her right now.

But I can say that my reading of the main parts of the Writ Petition tells me that Sri S.S. Naganand is fighting very hard for Sathya & Dharma in challenging and trying to reverse the HIJACK of Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust and associated institutions by Sri Narasimhamurthy & others of Muddenahalli group.

I thank Sri S.S. Naganand for this fight he is waging for Sathya & Dharma in the Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust and associated educational institutions. I pray to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba to continue to shower His Grace on Sri S.S. Naganand and give him (and his family) the courage and strength to keep fighting this Sathya & Dharma battle. I also extend my full support to Sri S.S. Naganand in this matter.

I urge all readers, and in particular those readers who want to save Muddenahalli and Alike schools from the HIJACK by Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan Naidu and group, to give their full support to Sri S.S. Naganand in this matter. If I recall correctly, Sri U. Gangadhar Bhat sir's removal from the Loka Seva Trust as trustee was also part of the above mentioned resolutions of Loka Seva Trust which has been stayed for 15 days by Karnataka High court. So those readers who want to save Alike school from Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu group control, and want Sri U. Gangadhar Bhat sir to remain in charge of Alike school should also support Sri S.S. Naganand in this matter.

I earnestly pray to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba to ensure that Sathya & Dharma are followed in this matter related to trustees removal or addition in the Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust, Muddenahalli, Karnataka.

Jai Sairam!
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Given below are some comment exchanges from my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1863156837234218, associated with this blog post:

Name-snipped wrote;
Iyer sir, this is the beginning of the END. jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped-- sir, the case seems very strong against illegal actions of Loka Seva Trust trustees. Sri S.S. Naganand seems to be pursuing the right course of action, as I see it from my layman (non lawyer) eyes. Eventually when the case does get heard properly in court, I think all the trustees illegally added will be ordered to be removed by the court. So, from that point of view, I tend to agree that it seems to be the beginning of the end of the illegal HIJACK of Loka Seva Trust by Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan Naidu & co.

However, I do hope that our Sathya Sai devotee brothers and sisters of Muddenahalli group do not face any problems in the service activities that they are engaged in, under a different platform. What they should do is COMPLETELY STOP the DRAMA of Madhusudan Rao Naidu so called communicator stuff. Then they may not face any issues for their service activities done in a different platform from that of official Sai orgn.
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote (slightly edited):
Thanks, Ravi! I appreciate you(r) support of senior advocate Sondekoppa Sundaraswamy Naganand. He is doing great work. Aum Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
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[I thank DeccanHerald.com and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above short extract from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Tuesday, February 14, 2017

Post-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement infighting reminds me regularly of Nobel Prize-winning author William Golding's 1954 novel, "Lord of the Flies"

Last updated on 18-Feb-2017

The period of around a year from around June 2011, a little while after Bhagavan's Mahasamadhi (April end 2011), till June 2012 was one of the worst periods of my life from an emotional trauma point of view (which also affected my health).

Bhagavan's Mahasamadhi function itself was, very thankfully, a very emotional and moving tribute to Bhagavan from lakhs (tens of thousands) of his devotees. I felt privileged to personally witness this extraordinary exhibition of love, gratitude, emotional attachment, devotion and/or just plain respect to/for physical form of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba from people across a wide spectrum of society, including the poor and the rich, the unknown and the famous, the ordinary Indian citizen and the powerful Indian political office holders including prime minister, national political party heads, governors, chief ministers, ministers etc. - essentially, men, women and children from all walks and positions of life. Perhaps it is when we lose somebody (at physical form level) who we love deeply that we experience very deep outpouring of love for him/her, and it may have been somewhat similar for many of Bhagavan's devotees coming to the Mahasamadhi function. For as long as I live, I shall cherish memories of this exhibition of love, gratitude, devotion etc. to Bhagavan over the three day Mahasamadhi function. And this includes how the town of Puttaparthi expressed its love and gratitude for Bhagavan, and how the townsfolk geared up, in the midst of their deep sorrow, to serve the huge crowds of devotees that came to have their last glimpse of Bhagavan's beloved physical form.

Having said the above, I must also say that nothing that I have faced in my life comes close to the bitterness, infighting and power mongering, and resultant chaos, confusion and trauma that I, in part, directly experienced and, in part, got reliable reports about, in the Sai university in particular, and in Prasanthi Nilayam system in general in the above mentioned period. Note that for most of this period (till March 2012) I was associated with the Sai university as a FREE SERVICE Visiting Faculty.

With Sai university alumnus, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, bursting on the scene in public in May 2014 with his FALSE CLAIM of being a so called communicator of a so called subtle body of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba based in Muddenahalli, fully endorsed by Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy, former warden of Sai university, and with support from former vice-chancellor of Sai university, Sashidhara Prasad, as well as many alumni of Sai university, this infighting in the Sathya Sai movement came out into the OPEN. In a short period of time, this group, referred to as Muddenahalli group, became a SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT to post Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement worldwide, and has been misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide till date by promoting and spreading the FALSE CLAIM of so called communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

Over these five and three quarter years now after Mahasamadhi, I have, on many occasions, been reminded of a book I read some decades ago in my youth - Lord of the Flies, by William Golding, Nobel-prize winning author. Note that the Sai university is now dominated by Sai university alumni who hold the majority of powerful administrative positions in it. Further, both in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system as well as in Muddenahalli group, Sai university and Sai schools alumni hold important positions, though their dominance in them (PN & MDH group) is not as much as in Sai university.

Now Bhagavan had clearly indicated that he expected his university and schools' students (alumni) to play a major role in taking his mission forward. So I think the near-total dominance of alumni in Sai university, and somewhat less but still dominant role in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system, was in line with what Bhagavan wanted.

But I directly experienced horrific arrogance, abuse of power and immaturity, after Bhagavan's Mahasamadhi, from some such alumni who were put into powerful positions in Sai university administration. And some other regular academics in Sai university (I am NOT an academic) who were not alumni and were senior to those alumni raised to such powerful administrative positions, seemed to have felt similarly. That seems to have been a factor in some of these persons, especially those who had crossed retirement age and were paid honoraria, quitting Sai university and exploring opportunities elsewhere (perhaps those opportunities were also offering better pay). In my considered opinion, the spiritual vision of Bhagavan for his university was well understood by these senior academics as they had served for decades under Bhagavan's DIRECT supervision of Sai university, and their moving away has negatively impacted the spiritual mission side of the Sai university.

And then we have the Sai university and schools' alumni divided into two camps now - Prasanthi Nilayam group and Muddenahalli group. The Muddenahalli group so called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, is a Sai university alumnus!!!

These events seem to have some similarity to the book, Lord of the Flies! Yes, thankfully, there has been no violence and bloodshed between the two PTP (Puttaparthi) and MDH (Muddenahalli) factions. But in terms of non-violent fighting between the two groups and sometimes within each group, like false allegations including misrepresenting and doctoring screenshots, vicious social media attacks involving swear words and nasty personal level allegations, trust board power struggles, academic institution power struggles, court case etc. - we are seeing them all.

Given below are extracts from the wiki page of the book, Lord of the Flies, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies. I have changed the order of the extracts from how it appears on the wiki page.

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Lord of the Flies is a 1954 novel by Nobel Prize-winning English author William Golding. The book's premise focuses on a group of British boys stranded on an uninhabited island and their attempt to govern themselves, with disastrous results.

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Themes
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At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilization and social organization—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power. Themes include the tension between groupthink and individuality, between rational and emotional reactions, and between morality and immorality. How these play out, and how different people feel the influences of these form a major subtext of Lord of the Flies. The name "Lord of the Flies" is a literal translation of Beelzebub, from 2 Kings 1:2–3, 6, 16.
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Plot
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In the midst of a wartime evacuation, a British aeroplane crashes on or near an isolated island in a remote region of the Pacific Ocean. The only survivors are boys in their middle childhood or preadolescence. Two boys—the fair-haired Ralph and an overweight, bespectacled boy nicknamed "Piggy"—find a conch, which Ralph uses as a horn to congregate all the survivors to one area. Due largely to the fact that Ralph appears responsible for bringing all the survivors together, he immediately commands some authority over the other boys and is quickly elected their "chief", but he does not receive the votes of the members of a boys' choir, led by the red-headed Jack Merridew. Ralph establishes three primary policies: to have fun, survive, and to constantly maintain a smoke signal that could alert passing ships to their presence on the island and thus rescue them. The boys create a form of democracy by declaring that whoever holds the conch shall also be able to speak at their formal gatherings and receive the attentive silence of the larger group.

Jack organises his choir into a hunting party responsible for discovering a food source. Ralph, Jack, and a quiet, dreamy boy named Simon soon form a loose triumvirate of leaders with Ralph as the ultimate authority. Though he is Ralph's only real confidant, Piggy is quickly made into an outcast by his fellow "biguns" (older boys) and becomes an unwilling source of laughs for the other children whilst being hated by Jack. Simon, in addition to supervising the project of constructing shelters, feels an instinctive need to protect the "littluns" (younger boys).

The semblance of order quickly deteriorates as the majority of the boys turn idle; they give little aid in building shelters, spend their time having fun and begin to develop paranoias about the island. The central paranoia refers to a supposed monster, they call the "beast", which they all slowly begin to believe exists on the island. Ralph insists that no such beast exists, but Jack, who has started a power struggle with Ralph, gains a level of control over the group by boldly promising to kill the creature. At one point, Jack summons all of his hunters to hunt down a wild pig, drawing away those assigned to maintain the signal fire. A ship travels by the island, but without the boys' smoke signal to alert the ship's crew, the vessel continues without stopping. Ralph angrily confronts Jack about his failure to maintain the signal; in frustration Jack assaults Piggy, breaking his glasses. The boys subsequently enjoy their first feast. Angered by the failure of the boys to attract potential rescuers, Ralph considers relinquishing his position as leader, but is convinced not to do so by Piggy, who both understands Ralph's importance, and deeply fears what will become of him should Jack take total control.

One night, an aerial battle occurs near the island while the boys sleep, during which a fighter pilot ejects from his plane and dies during the descent. His body drifts down to the island in his parachute; both get tangled in a tree near the top of the mountain. Later on, while Jack continues to scheme against Ralph, twins Sam and Eric, now assigned to the maintenance of the signal fire, see the corpse of the fighter pilot and his parachute in the dark. Mistaking the corpse for the beast, they run to the cluster of shelters that Ralph and Simon have erected to warn the others. This unexpected meeting again raises tensions between Jack and Ralph. Shortly thereafter, Jack decides to lead a party to the other side of the island, where a mountain of stones, later called Castle Rock, forms a place where he claims the beast resides. Only Ralph and a quiet suspicious boy, Jack's closest supporter Roger, agree to go; Ralph turns back shortly before the other two boys but eventually all three see the parachutist whose head rises via the wind; they then flee, now believing the beast is truly real. When they arrive at the shelters, Jack calls an assembly and tries to turn the others against Ralph, asking for them to remove him from his position. Receiving no support Jack storms off alone to form his own tribe. Roger immediately sneaks off to join Jack, and slowly an increasing amount of older boys abandon Ralph to join Jack's tribe. Jack's tribe continues to lure in recruits from the main group by promising feasts of cooked pig. The members begin to paint their faces and enact bizarre rituals including sacrifices to the beast.

Simon, who faints frequently and is likely an epileptic, has a secret hideaway where he goes to be alone. One day while he is there, Jack and his followers erect a faux sacrifice to the beast nearby: a severed pig's head, mounted on a sharpened stick, and soon swarming with scavenging flies. Simon conducts an imaginary dialog with the head, which he dubs the "Lord of the Flies". The head mocks Simon's notion that the beast is a real entity, "something you could hunt and kill", and reveals the truth: they, the boys, are the beast; it is inside them all. The Lord of the Flies also warns Simon that he is in danger, because he represents the soul and spirit of man, and predicts that the others will kill him. Simon climbs the mountain alone and discovers that the beast is only a dead parachutist trapped by rocks being moved by the wind. Rushing down to tell the others Simon is killed. He is seen by the boys who are engaged in a ritual dance, the frenzied boys mistake Simon for the beast, attack him, and beat him to death.

Jack and his rebel band decide that the real symbol of power on the island is not the conch, but Piggy's glasses—the only means the boys have of starting a fire. They raid Ralph's camp, confiscate the glasses, and return to their abode on Castle Rock. Ralph, now deserted by most of his supporters, journeys to Castle Rock to confront Jack and secure the glasses. Taking the conch and accompanied only by Piggy, Sam, and Eric, Ralph finds the tribe and demands that they return the valuable object. Confirming their total rejection of Ralph's authority the tribe capture and bound the twins under Jack's command. Ralph and Jack engage in a physical fight which neither wins before Piggy tries once more to address the tribe. Any sense of order or safety is permanently eroded when Roger, now sadistic, deliberately drops a boulder from his vantage point above, brutally killing Piggy and shattering the conch. Ralph manages to escape, but Sam and Eric are tortured by Roger until they agree to join Jack's tribe.

Ralph secretly confronts Sam and Eric who warn him that Jack and Roger hate him and that Roger has sharpened a stick at both ends, implying the tribe intends to hunt him like a pig and behead him. The following morning, Jack orders his tribe to begin a manhunt for Ralph. Jack's savages set fire to the forest while Ralph desperately weighs his options for survival. Following a long chase, most of the island is consumed in flames. With the hunters closely behind him, Ralph trips and falls. He looks up at a uniformed adult – a naval officer whose party has landed from a passing warship to investigate the fire. Ralph bursts into tears over the death of Piggy and the "end of innocence". Jack and the other children, filthy and unkempt, also revert to their true ages and erupt into sobs. The officer expresses his disappointment at seeing British boys exhibiting such feral, warlike behaviour before turning to stare awkwardly at his own warship.

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Ravi: In this PTP vs. MDH group post-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement matter, particularly among Sai university and schools' alumni, I think it is the craze for spiritual empire power, and associated name and fame, that conflicts with Sai devotee impulse towards following instructions of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba (of not accepting anybody claiming to be his medium or communicator) and following norms of official Sai organization that creates an environment for all Sai devotees including Sai university and schools' alumni, to participate peacefully and harmoniously in Sai activities as per guidelines framed and/or approved by physical form Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba himself.

[Note: As a whistle-blower against record tampering and malicious defamation, a criminal offence under the Indian Penal Code, done by some Sai university administrators against me, I too have used strong words against those that I hold responsible for these actions against me. I used social media to get some kind of justice by attempting to name and shame them for what they did to me. There was also an objective of deterring future such record tampering and malicious defamation of teachers by Sai university administrators.
I used words like Teacher-Drohi-Paapi (sinner who committed harm against a teacher) and Asathya-Adharma (untruthful and unethical) crook. I also used the word, traitor, against those who I felt did enormous harm to Sathya Sai movement by abusing and misusing their position to advance their own vision and agenda, as against the vision and agenda of the organization that gave them that position. I did all this because I was met with HORRIFIC ARROGANCE and POWER ABUSE in the normal channel of seeking justice, and I have documented that in detail in my blog post, My May 2012 service record & record tampering related correspondence with Sai university (SSSIHL) administrators, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/11/my-may-2012-service-record-record.html. Being denied justice in the normal channels, to protect my fair name and reputation from further damage by these people and to inform Sathya Sai fraternity of their actions, I decided that I had to fight back using social media to expose them in 2015.
Some may say that I am a contributor to the 'Lord of the Flies' problems that I have sought to highlight in this post. I disagree with that view as I have made efforts to be truthful in my posts that exposed wrongdoing, giving evidence wherever it was available. At times, my anger at the humiliation and injustice that I suffered may have surfaced in my posts. But I consider that to be justifiable expression of my anger, and not false allegations and conspiracy.
Further, I did not publicize my harassment and humiliation on the Internet till 2015, a period of around three years since it happened (in 2011-12). I followed the unwritten code of conduct of keeping such matters within the Sai institution family and not exposing it to the public. But in 2015 the damage being done by Muddenahalli group to Sathya Sai movement was becoming too much. Therefore I felt it appropriate to publicize my harassment and humiliation (along with similar treatment given to some regular senior academics in Sai university) on the Internet, thereby informing Sathya Sai community about how under Sashidhara Prasad and some other Sai university administrators, Sai university lost its way and came under the influence of dream-instruction Narasimhamurthy.]
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote over email:
Bravo!  One of my favorite books and movies.....
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I (Ravi) responded:
Interesting that it was a favorite book of yours. I plan to see the movie on youtube if available.
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[I thank wikipedia and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above extracts from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Monday, February 13, 2017

Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 2

Last updated on 13th Apr. 2017

[14-Mar-2017 Update: Readers may please see my important post, Bhaskar Iyer of Melbourne, Australia is collaborating with, OR IS, fake Id Facebook bully & conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/03/bhaskar-iyer-of-melbourne-australia-is.html, dated March 9th 2017. end-Update]

This post contains overflow from post, Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 1, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/my-facebook-posts-related-to.html. Given below are contents of a set of Facebook posts written by me from 4th Feb. 2017 to 21st Feb. 2017 [and two posts dated 5th April 2017 and 12th April 2017], related to misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me (and some others).

20) I have a message for Muddenahalli group trolls,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858240424392526

21) Blocked Mr. V.R. Ganti again; Why I blocked him,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858290811054154

22) An overview of my interactions with Mr. V.R. Ganti whom I have now blocked (sadly),
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858495307700371

23) Contents of short FB posts giving links to Michael Jackson videos that I felt appropriate to watch and then share on FB (in my situation then after around 5pm on Feb. 5th)

24) Message in Hindi to Muddenahalli group troll, Facebook fake Id Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858616141021621

25) Another Message, in Telugu this time, to Facebook fake ID Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1859015334315035

26) Clive Raj Valydon's post, When I accidentally dragged my name through the gutter due to my Immaturity., https://www.facebook.com/sathyanarayana.raju.9/posts/961661143970370

27) Facebook Fake ID Bully and Conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident wrote some stupid short comment ..., https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860777300805505

28) Mr. V.R. Ganti's mail to me, "Abstain from commenting about me"; My mail response to him, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860844417465460

29) Mr. V.R. Ganti response to me and my response back to him,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860983460784889

30) Blocked Mr. V.R. Ganti again, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1861893877360514

31) Some psychiatric opinion I saw which seems to be appropriate for Facebook fake Id bully, Venkatesh Babu, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1862741790609056

32) Don't argue with idiots, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1866140546935847

33) Need suggestions on whether I should respond to Mr. Ganti's recent email to me, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1887838384766063

34) Sathyameva Jayate! Offensive & disgusting comment of Facebook Fake Id bully & conspirator Venkatesh Babu has been deleted from Mr. Ganti's post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1891840024365899

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Contents of above mentioned Facebook posts

20) I have a message for Muddenahalli group trolls,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858240424392526 dated February 4th at 10:25pm

In the past few days, as it was the first time I got framed viciously on Facebook, I struggled to recover and then attempt to punish the Facebook fake Id who framed me. Due to some sensitivities I decided to FOREGO my right as a law-abiding Indian citizen to file a cyber police complaint against Facebook fake Id Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident.

But now I am well versed with not only how Facebook handles these complaints giving a wide level of liberty to Facebook post and comment authors, but also about how to make a cyber police complaint in India against false and malicious charges made against me.

So Muddenahalli group trolls like Venkatesh Babu, beware! If you mess around with me again, indulging in fabrication of screenshots and similar other devilish things, to falsely portray something about me, and I get to know about it and get really bugged about it, and there is no other person involved who may be worried about publicity, I will surely make the cyber police complaint. I will invest time & money to go after such cases.

And Muddenahalli group trolls living in India need to be even more careful with such things against me in future which become big enough that they are brought to my notice and which I get really bugged about. [Note that I ignore jokers saying foolish things and indulging in name-calling by just blocking them.]

Defamation is both a CRIMINAL and a CIVIL offence in India. So if I get really bugged by a Muddenahalli group troll in future trying to frame me into some nasty stuff, I might seriously consider cyber police complaint/investing money and time to identify him, and then if he is an Indian, file a CRIMINAL defamation case against him.

Mind you, once convicted of any crime (including defamation), one gets a police record as a CRIMINAL.

So I have given my warning. If any Sai school/university alumni (Venkatesh Babu claims to be Sai university alumnus) or anybody else who is misguided by Muddenahalli group and its so called communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu, and tries to play, to use a phrase I read from some recent Muddenahalli group stuff, "political Krishna" role, against me, he may get exposed as a Paundraka (Krishna imitator who was delivered "justice" by the real Krishna) and get judged a criminal, under the Indian Penal Code.
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21) Blocked Mr. V.R. Ganti again; Why I blocked him,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858290811054154 dated February 5th at 12:36am

Two days or so ago, I had unblocked Mr. V.R. Ganti to make Facebook complaints against one of his posts and one comment on that post.

Now I have blocked Mr. V.R. Ganti again. I felt it appropriate to inform that to my Facebook friends and followers.

I DO NOT APPROVE of elders of Sathya Sai fraternity on Facebook like Mr. V.R. Ganti, who have over a thousand Facebook friends and followers, behaving irresponsibly by allowing their Facebook posts to be used through comments on such posts by fake Facebook Id persons like Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, as a platform to spread vicious, vile and false charges about respected office bearers of the Sai organization.

A position/stand that the Facebook post author is not responsible for any content of comment(s) made by others on his/her Facebook post even when complaints have been made to him about such specific comment(s), which is the stand that Mr. V.R. Ganti has taken, is NOT in accordance with Sathya and Dharma, in my considered opinion. In fact, it is my view that Mr. V.R. Ganti by behaving in this manner, is promoting the spread of Asathya & Adharma through comments made by Facebook fake ID persons like Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident on Mr. Ganti's post(s).

Therefore I have decided to stay away from and not interact anymore with Mr. V.R. Ganti and so have blocked him on Facebook.
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22) An overview of my interactions with Mr. V.R. Ganti whom I have now blocked (sadly),
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858495307700371 dated February 5 at 12:18pm

As a followup to my recent post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858290811054154, where I reported that I have blocked Mr. V.R. Ganti and gave my reasons for doing so, I have put up this post. This post is composed from recent comments of mine, collapsed into one post and slightly edited, from the above mentioned recent post of mine.

I felt it appropriate to give an overview of my interactions with Mr. Ganti which started in the first half of 2015 if I recall correctly, perhaps around nine months or so after Madhusudan Rao Naidu burst on the Sathya Sai community scene in May 2014 publicly "declaring" his so called communicator claim.

Prof. G. Venkataraman (GV sir) then heading Radio Sai wrote in July 2014 an article in Radio Sai, challenging and refuting the claims made by Madhusudan Rao Naidu. I wrote a blog post referring to that article of GV sir, giving my views on the matter. That blog post of mine, Radio Sai article on recent Swami (Sathya Sai Baba) subtle form appearance controversy, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2014/07/radio-sai-article-on-recent-swami.html, dated July 11th 2014, shows a viewed count of 12,945 when I checked today, and is by far the most viewed post of that blog of mine which has Sathya Sai related blog posts of mine (and some other posts related to religion and spirituality).

However, after this Radio Sai article in July 2014, Radio Sai did not play any significant role in directly refuting Muddenahalli group claims. Perhaps they had their constraints and so decided to play safe by rarely referring to Muddenahalli group claims directly, and instead only stating Bhagavan's key instructions in this regard that Bhagavan's relation with his devotees is heart-to-heart and that Bhagavan never uses any intermediaries for such matters.

Meanwhile belief in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's so called communicator claims started growing at a great pace with many Sai devotees worldwide associating with him and with other leaders of Muddenahalli group like Sri Narasimhamurthy, Mr. Isaac Tigrett, Sri C. Srinivas etc.

By March 2015, I had got enough information, conveyed by Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju in his talks where he was questioned by Sai devotees about Muddenhalli, and in private conversations he had with others which was conveyed to me, that Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Muddenahalli group had become a SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT to post-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement.

Radio Sai and other dissemination wings of official Prasanthi Nilayam ashram were largely SILENT and not criticizing Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Muddenahalli group by name. This created an environment where association with Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Muddenahalli group was viewed as acceptable by Sai devotees, in my considered opinion.

It is in this vacuum that people who started writing, in their individual capacity, exposing the claims of Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Muddenahalli group BY NAME and backing the views with details/evidence, started becoming somewhat noted in Sathya Sai circles. SaiBliss Facebook posts, Terry Reis Kennedy's Facebook posts, my blog and later Facebook posts, and Mr. V.R. Ganti's emails and later Facebook posts exposing Muddenahalli group claims became a major source of information to Sathya Sai devotees wanting to know about the matter. It is my considered view that these names (including mine) got prominence simply because the official dissemination wings of Prasanthi Nilayam, like Radio Sai and Sanathana Sarathi chose to remain largely SILENT on this matter, perhaps due to some constraints they had.

Mr. V.R. Ganti did major work in approaching leaders and important people in both Prasanthi Nilayam system as well as Muddenahalli group, to investigate the matter, share the matter with his readers, and try hard to get Muddenahalli group to give up Madhusudan Rao Naidu's communicator claims and unite back with Prasanthi Nilayam based official Sai organization. He also shared the history of how this Muddenahalli group started, and who were the key people who supported Muddenahalli group and Narasimhamurthy in particular, right from July 2011 onwards. I will NEVER FORGET this great service done by Mr. V.R. Ganti to the post Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement. My blog post, Selected Facebook Notes on "Muddenahalli Saga" by Mr. V.R. Ganti, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/08/some-important-facebook-notes-on.html, dated Aug. 7th 2015, shares many extracts from Mr. Ganti's posts on this matter, and links to the associated Facebook posts of Mr. Ganti.

I and some others who were supportive of Prasanthi Nilayam and opposed the SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT posed by Muddenahalli group to post Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement, collaborated with Mr. Ganti on this work of his. I am very happy that I did so then as Mr. Ganti's work then informed the Sathya Sai devotee community worldwide about the history of Muddenahalli group and significantly contributed to exposing the false claim of its communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

However, sometime perhaps in 2016, Mr. Ganti started becoming very aggressive and started very harshly criticizing Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and its trustees. That is when Mr. Ganti started becoming a problem to people like me who are publicly (and privately) supportive of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT) and Prasanthi Nilayam. I publicly countered some of his criticism of SSSCT and its trustees which strained my relationship with Mr. Ganti.

But as he also continued to aggressively expose some wrongdoings of Muddenahalli group and was unstinted in his rejection of Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims, I decided to take a path of opposing him on SSSCT criticism and co-operation on exposure of false claim of Madhusudan Rao Naidu. It was a difficult balance to strike. But I was able to manage it reasonably for some time. Further, Mr. Ganti had come to my support publicly and strongly, when I was viciously attacked by some persons on social media in the past. I was and still am grateful to him for that support that he had extended to me.

However, over the past few weeks, Mr. Ganti seems to have collaborated with people like Arun Srinivas of Muddenahalli (who is against Muddenahalli group of Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy) and Facebook fake Id Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu, who have used viciously personal, malicious and false attacks against an SSSCT trustee. I think in these matters, Mr. Ganti, Arun Srinivas and Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu seem to have got consumed by hatred, due to which they have lost basic human decency, let alone the Sathya, Dharma, Shanti and Prema values taught by our beloved Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

In this post-Mahasamdhi phase of the Sathya Sai movement, polite and fair criticism of SSSCT and official Sai orgn. with a view to improve SSSCT and Sai orgn. is acceptable, in my considered view. But what Mr. Ganti has got dragged down into cannot be viewed as polite and fair criticism.

It has been painful for me to see how Mr. Ganti has lost his way, consumed by his hatred of some people in SSSCT & Prasanthi Nilayam based official Sai orgn. I earnestly pray to Bhagavan to show Mr. V.R. Ganti the right way of Sathya, Dharma, Shanti & Prema, and desist from making or associating with viciously personal, malicious and false attacks against SSSCT and Prasanthi Nilayam based Sai orgn. leaders.

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23) Contents of short FB posts giving links to Michael Jackson videos that I felt appropriate to watch and then share on FB (in my situation then after around 5pm on Feb. 5th)

Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal (Official Video), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_D3VFfhvs4 9 min, 25 secs. Enjoyed watching this now. Felt it to be appropriate watching for me now :-),

And this is appropriate too, Michael Jackson- Bad [HD 1080p], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8QY0SNEq0, 7 min. 22 secs. Enjoyed watching this too :-)
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24) Message in Hindi to Muddenahalli group troll, Facebook fake Id Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1858616141021621 dated February 5th at 5:52pm

And a message in Hindi (I was born and bred in Mumbai) to the Muddenahalli group troll, Facebook fake Id Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident:

Tu bach gaya sala, is waqt!

Hamse dushmani mehengi padegi, yaad rakhna!
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Some comments from above post are given below:

Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Apun Se Panga Nai Lene Kaaaa. Kyaaaa?.. that is Mumbai Hindi.. you have stayed outside for too long..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Good that you got the message. There are various kinds of Hindi in Mumbai - you are talking the Hindi which you may have seen in some movies from recent decades. But the Hindi that I wrote comes from my days in the past in real life Mumbai (not reel life Mumbai). What is important is for you to get the message. I think you have got it now.
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25) Another Message, in Telugu this time, to Facebook fake ID Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1859015334315035 dated February 6th at 3:20pm

Another message from me to Facebook fake ID Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident is given below. Note that I had put this up earlier as part of a comment in a previous post of mine but felt it appropriate to put it up as a separate post (and delete this part of the comment).

I get the impression you are Telugu, or at least speak and understand Telugu. My Puttaparthi street Telugu is not so great but I usually manage to communicate the message. So here's a longer message to you in my not-so-great Puttaparthi street Telugu mixed with some English words (where my limited knowledge of Telugu fails me or where the English words are common usage in such Puttaparthi street Telugu).

Naaku neevu oka Facebook Ravanaasurudu ra. Eesaari tapinchukonnavu (This time you escaped). Oka trusteee peru vacchindi ee vishayam (topic) lo. Anduvalana inka publicity vaddu cheppesi, nenu nee meeda cyber police complaint cheyattamu, inka cyber detection, vere investigation chesi, nee 'real identity' emi telusukoni, tarvatha nee meeda CRIMINAL defamation court case pettadamu (neevu foreignlo unna kuda neeku nenu Indialo court and police problem chevacchu) - evanni nenu manesanu.

Kaani! Malli neevu naa meeda ila emaina kutra (conspiracy) chesina - Facebook kutra ka vacchu, vere Internet kutra ka vacchu, Puttaparthilo na meeda real life kutra kaa vachu (including kottadamu/physical attack) - nenu ninnu vadalnu. Naku koncham vayasaiyindi ra, konni health problem unnayi. Kaani Prasanthi Nilayam and Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust Seethamma Thallini kapadadaniki, nenu Jatayu laa ga nee lanti Ravanasuruduto poratamu chestanu (I will fight you). Nenu bhayapadanu! Naaku chaavu bhayyamu ledu raa. Nenu ee dehamu kaadu! Gurtu pettu! Sare? (Okay?) Jai Sairam!
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Some comments on the above post are given below:

Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir I appreciate your sentiments. Please rein in your friends AP_Ramesh and Clive Raj to not speak ill of Swami's other family members in Public. They also belong to the same Ratnakara Vamsha.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Fake ID Brother Venkatesh Babu: You may please speak directly to Ap Ramesh sir and brother Clive Raj Valydon. I do not want to interfere in between.
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26) Clive Raj Valydon's post, When I accidentally dragged my name through the gutter due to my Immaturity., https://www.facebook.com/sathyanarayana.raju.9/posts/961661143970370 dated February 9th 2017

When I accidentally dragged my name through the gutter due to my Immaturity.

The only 3 people that stood up for me was Ravi S. Iyer Shaun Brown and Ap ramesh.

I thank them

No one else said a word about my character even though they know what kind of person I am.

It is because of that I have decided to stop hating mdh.

I am clear in my mind that I have never nor will I ever need a medium to communicate to swami.

Swami also said heart to heart communication is the only way with god.

I request that I am no longer tagged on the subject and if I am I'll jus remove the tag.

All the best to all the people working hard trying to put an end to all this.

You will definitely succeed.

I have done all that I can and sometimes sacrificed my own name to try and stand tall And be bold in my fight.

My accident and slip up Causing embarrassment to Rathnaka was a sign from swami that enough is enough now.

And I have be intelligent and act on it quick or else the next slip could be far worse.

This also gave me an insight as to who would stand by me in my hour of need.

Make no mistakes I have jumped in when I have seen people get attacked from our side.

How many times I have jumped into a fire without caring a dam about the repercussions.

I feel I have done more then my fair share And I know you all would agree with that.

The rest should now be left to swami to handle.

He will handle it.

Again wish to say big sorry to Rathnaka for embarrassment caused and big thank you to both ravi's and Shaun brown whom I grew up with.

I'm requesting everyone to please share this post to everyone.

Jai Sai Ram

Truth always prevails so don't worry
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My comment exchange with Clive on the above post is given below.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks for the kind words, Clive Raj Valydon. All the best!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Also, allowed your post to be put up on my Timeline.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Thank you sir
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Regarding my account being hacked.
That had nothing to do with anyone but me.
No one told me to say that basically it was my own stupidity
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27) Facebook Fake ID Bully and Conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident wrote some stupid short comment ..., https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860777300805505 dated February 10th 2017

Facebook Fake ID Bully and Conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident wrote some stupid short comment on my recent post, How to respond to and reverse Facebook cyberstalking followed by non-violent bullying using false allegations (conspiracies), https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860159634200605.
But his comment cannot be viewed as criminal defamation. I decided to delete his comment and block him on Facebook, and have done so.
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28) Mr. V.R. Ganti's mail to me, "Abstain from commenting about me"; My mail response to him, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860844417465460 dated February 10th 2017

Mr. V.R. Ganti's mail to me, "Abstain from commenting about me"; My mail response to him

Given below is an email exchange today between Mr. V.R. Ganti and me.

from: VR GANTI <ganti@jeevosolutions.com>
to: "Ravi S. Iyer" <--snip-->
date: Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM
subject: Abstain from commenting about me

Shri Ravi Iyer Garu,

I just now came to know that you posted a comment which says that I am closely associated with Arun Srinivas.  See the comment.

[See attached pic below]



The fact is that the highest amount of collaboration I had was with yourself ser.  We had chatted for number of times on each day and each time hour quite some time (may be an hour or close to an hour).  The discussions/chats were wide range of topics.  I have taken back up of all those chats.  In fact I do take chats with various people since I am decided to venture into something very senious.    I have never spoken bad or for that matter anything with any person till date, because I made a promise to you that I will never divulge the discussions we had.

Yes, directly or indirectly I am making reference to you sometimes and I am saying that you are a good man.  Pl note.  I still maintain that you are a good man and surely I am accumulating good in my KARMIC Account.

Sir, I suggest you abstain from talking about me anywhere and with anybody.  It is not good and not because it affects me.  Nothing will affect me and you surely know my objective which is TRUTH & DHARMA.  Please note that all the guys with whom you are working will drop you like hot potato one day or other.

Thanks and Regards

VR Ganti
Cell No. Singapore: +65-90053742
Email: ganti@jeevosolutions.com
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from: Ravi S. Iyer <--snip-->
to: VR GANTI <ganti@jeevosolutions.com>
date: Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM
subject: Re: Abstain from commenting about me

Sairam Ganti sir,

PLEASE NOTE THAT I WILL BE SHORTLY PUTTING THIS EXCHANGE UP ON FACEBOOK (and blog). Please be aware that from now on, I may publicly share any communication from you to me.

I am sorry if my comment hurt you. But I think what I have said is not untruthful.

But I realize that I made a mistake by writing critically about you without giving you a chance to read and respond to that. That was not fair on my part. I apologize for that mistake, Ganti sir.

I have now unblocked you on Facebook. I will tag you on the three or so posts that I have written critically of you (including a post where I have praised your previous efforts). I will tag you step by step so that you are not overwhelmed.

You may please feel free to share your comments on what I have written publicly. I will surely read and respond to your comments, sir.

Regarding our close collaboration in the past which you say has been the highest amount of collaboration you had with anybody, I have not hidden the fact that I was collaborating with you in the past when we were working together to expose Muddenahalli group FALSE BELIEF and MISDEEDS like Sai university HIJACK by Narasimhamurthy and Sashidhara Prasad. I have also praised you publicly, including in a recent post, for that GREAT SERVICE you have done to post Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement.

But I have never ever collaborated with any effort of yours to target any Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust trustee or Prasanthi Nilayam. I have always endeavoured both in my public and private exchanges with you, to protect Bhagavan's godly gift (Devudu icchina varamu) to humanity of Prasanthi Nilayam and Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT), requiring me, many times, to strenuously argue against your harsh criticisms of SSSCT, both privately and publicly.

Regarding the backup of wide ranging chats that we had, which you say you have: Well, frankly, I don't have these backups, except perhaps for a few chats here and there. Many times, I deleted our chat conversation on sensitive topics. We both were initially engaged in a task of unraveling what was happening in Prasanthi Nilayam and this Muddenahalli group matter in 2015 and to a lesser extent in 2016, and sharing that with the Sathya Sai fraternity at large, in a spirit of Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara (Speak the truth; Follow Dharma) which is the ancient Sanathana Dharma teaching that our beloved Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba exhorted us to follow. So I shared a lot of matters which I heard from various sources, with you. The intent was to figure out the maddeningly confusing jigsaw puzzle that Sathya Sai movement found itself in after Madhusudan Rao Naidu burst on the scene as the so called communicator of a so called subtle body based in Muddenahalli. You had promised that such conversations would be kept secret. And as the objective was to help post Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement understand and then overcome the SERIOUS DIVISIVE CHALLENGE that Muddenahalli group was posing it, I shared a lot of what I had heard from various sources, with you.

Now, in your message, I see a hint of BLACKMAIL. I hope you don't feel hurt by me saying so, sir. But that's how it appears to me. The message that I read from you, Ganti sir, to me is: I have all the chats backup. And so, "abstain from talking about me anywhere and with anybody". This is followed by the unsaid words, OR ELSE, I will publicly put up the chats where you shared sensitive information and which will put you in trouble.

Well, well, well! Am I under Facebook attack or what! First Facebook fake ID bully Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident did a Facebook cyberstalking, fabrication and conspiracy hit job against me and then tried to BLACKMAIL me. That bully simply wanted to shut me up from criticizing Muddenahalli group.

And now you Ganti sir seem to be giving me a similar BLACKMAIL threat!!! You want me to stop criticizing you OR ELSE!

Well, Ganti sir, I am not scared of such BLACKMAIL and will not give in to such BLACKMAIL. You may do what you want. I am prepared to face the consequences. I had decided to block you and simply ignore you, sir. Now I will unblock you and tag you on posts where I have criticized you. Once we finish any comment conversation there, I think I will block you again. If I criticize you again, Ganti sir, I will unblock you and tag you to let you know directly about the criticism and give you a chance to respond.

--snip--

What is the most that will happen if you share all our chats? I will go through a John Podesta (Hillary Clinton USA presidential campaign chair) gmails exposure like experience, within our small Sathya Sai social media and associated community. I am prepared to face that.

I am not afraid of you, Ganti sir. If you want to fight me, I am ready to fight you back.

Despite all the criticism that I have made publicly of some posts and stands of yours (e.g. refusal to delete nasty and malicious comment related to an SSSCT trustee), I still respect you for the previous work you did to expose Muddenahalli group FALSE BELIEF and Sai university HIJACK by Narasimhamurthy and Sashidhara  Prasad.

But, Ganti sir, don't try any BLACKMAIL stunts with me, sir. I DON'T SUCCUMB TO BLACKMAIL. Jai Sairam!

Regards

Ravi S. Iyer
Blogger/Facebook writer on spirituality & religion and retired software consultant, Puttaparthi, India

Spiritual/Religious Websites/Blogs
* About Sri Sathya Sai Baba and more: ravisiyer.blogspot.in
* God & science conversation and a little more: iami1.wordpress.com/god-and-science-toc

Software Websites/Blogs
* Indian CS & IT Academic Reform Activism: eklavyasai.blogspot.in/p/table-of-contents.html
* Course material related to computer programming (software lab.) courses: raviiyerteaches.wordpress.com

Misc. Topics Blogs
* ravisiyermisc.blogspot.in/
* ravisiyer.wordpress.com/category/misc/

e-mail:   --snip--
Twitter:  twitter.com/RaviSaiIyer
Google+:  google.com/+RaviSIyerSai
Facebook: facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7

Service to Society is Service to God
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29) Mr. V.R. Ganti response to me and my response back to him, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860983460784889, dated Feb. 10th 2017

Mr. V.R. Ganti response to me and my response back to him

This post is a follow up to my earlier post today, Mr. V.R. Ganti's mail to me, "Abstain from commenting about me"; My mail response to him, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860844417465460.

from: VR GANTI <ganti@jeevosolutions.com>
to: "Ravi S. Iyer" <--snip-->
date: Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM
subject: RE: Abstain from commenting about me

Too long a mail.  I read through not in detail though.  Don’t every think I will black mail anyone.

I have said I take copies of all the chats.

I am not keen to post any comments whatsoever on your posts.

I am too busy.

Thanks and Regards

VR Ganti
Cell No. Singapore: +65-90053742
Email: ganti@jeevosolutions.com
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from: Ravi S. Iyer <--snip-->
to: VR GANTI <ganti@jeevosolutions.com>
date: Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:53 PM
subject: Re: Abstain from commenting about me

Sairam Ganti sir,

Noted your response.

I am glad to note that you have said you will not blackmail me.

Also noted that you are "not keen to post any comments whatsoever" on my posts.

So sir, I will then block you again after two days.

I don't think I will have any reason to comment critically about you in future. However, if I do so, sir, I will unblock you and tag you to inform you directly about me having done so.

Thanks for the good times that we had in the past when we co-operated on exposing Muddenahalli group FALSE BELIEF and some of their MISDEEDS.

I am sad that things have come to such a pass now between us. But such is life!

I pray to Bhagavan to show you the right path forward.

Jai Sairam!

Regards

Ravi
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30) Blocked Mr. V.R. Ganti again,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1861893877360514 dated 12-Feb-2017

I had unblocked Mr. Ganti around two days ago to transparently interact with him on his suggestion to me over email to abstain from commenting about him (see my post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1860844417465460, dated Feb. 10th 2017 for details).
He then interacted me with over email on Feb. 10th itself saying to me, "I am not keen to post any comments whatsoever on your posts."

I had to wait two days to block Mr. Ganti again (as Facebook seems to stop blocking requests for unblocked persons for 48 hours from time of unblocking).

Now that two day period is over and so I was able to block Mr. V.R. Ganti again. As I have blocked him, I don't think I will have any need to criticize him on social media, now or in future.

I wish Mr. V.R. Ganti well and pray to Bhagavan to show him the right Sathya & Dharma way forward.

Thanks & Jai Sairam!
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Some comments on above post are given below:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, Hope the above action of mine is in line with your well intentioned advice to me in the past to not interact with Mr. Ganti.
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
iyer sir, let us go away from persons who have fallen from the grace of God. sir, i firmly believe that any person with some Grace on him, will not be /cannot be so negative and sadistic. here is a person who is behaving completely against the teachings of Swami. It is also an unacceptable human behaviour. if this person has a responsible son or a daughter, they would have stopped him. he is a liar. he is a manipulator. he is a paid agent of MGH. he allows his face less accomplices to post pro MDH comments on his wall. not even once ,he has objected to it. so in nut shell his FB page/wall are filled only with anti SSSCT/RJR bizarre --snip-- and MDH glorifying --snip--. so why should we Sai devotees need to see that?? will Swami be happy with us?? Sir, you have taken the right decision. please find a way to block his mails also. Mai sai bless us all.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Sairam Ap Ramesh sir. Thank you for your valuable views. I am responding to your inner level comment at the outer level for better visibility.

As I have the norm now that if I criticize Mr. Ganti I have to unblock him and tag him so that he can directly see my criticism and respond to it (perhaps on his Facebook posts as he may not want to respond on my Facebook posts), I do not want to comment on some of your criticisms of Mr. Ganti in your previous (inner-level) comment.

But I would like to say that I do not recall even one instance where Mr. Ganti has accepted Muddenahalli group Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim of being a so called communicator of so called subtle body of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. From my close interactions with him in the past, I know that he made immense efforts along with a leader of Sathya Sai fraternity to force Madhusudan Rao Naidu to stop his so called communicator act, using Indian legal processes, complaints to top Indian government officials etc. Mr. Ganti is DEAD AGAINST that claim of Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

So I don't think that Mr. Ganti is a paid agent of Muddenahalli group.

But it is true that Mr. Ganti does not moderate comments of others on his Facebook posts, as his view is that he is not responsible for others' comments even if they are made on his Facebook posts. That allows MDH Asathya-Adharma (untruthful and unethical) crooks and Facebook fake ID bullies and conspirators like Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident to write all sorts of nonsense targeting SSSCT, including nasty personal comments against individual SSSCT trustees. Such persons also target those who have written defending SSSCT (like you sir, me and others) making all sorts of nasty and wild allegations about these persons without any evidence to back them, as comments on Mr. Ganti's Facebook posts.

Regarding effort of Mr. Ganti's close relatives (son/daughter/wife) to stop or tone down his writings against SSSCT: As I was in very close Facebook chat/private message contact with Mr. Ganti in the past, I know that when Mr. Ganti was in the USA (Atlanta) and there was a threat of USA police complaint against him, at least some of his close relative(s) have tried to stop him or tone him down like my elder sister stepped in and forced me to tone down my posts exposing MDH group. Mr. Ganti flatly refused his close relatives' entreaties and even pressure and did not back down, and had even said that he was willing to leave their USA home, and go back to Singapore. So I don't think we should lay any blame on Mr. Ganti's close relatives (like wife, son, daughter-in-law, daughter, son-in-law) for not trying to rein in Mr. Ganti's posts & comments criticizing SSSCT and other official Sai orgn., both Indian and international, office bearers. They tried but Mr. Ganti rebuffed such efforts of theirs.

When I accepted the request and emotional pressure that my elder sister put on me to make me tone down my posts & comments exposing MDH group, Mr. Ganti told me, if I recall correctly, that I should not have done so and reminded me of what he had done when he refused entreaties and pressure from his close relative(s). I felt that Mr. Ganti was trying to say that I was weak in this matter whereas he was strong and fearless and willing to give up anything and anybody, including his family and his life, in his so called Sathya and Dharma quest. In other words, he was viewing himself as superior to me, in this matter.

I told Mr. Ganti that I was bound by my love and respect towards my elder sister for all that she had done for me and so I could not flatly ignore her requests and emotional demands. Please note that I was able to explain to my elder sister then that I had to do my duty towards Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba and towards the Sai fraternity from whom I had gained a lot, by resisting efforts of Muddenahalli group to misguide thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide with their false claim of so called communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu. And so she did not ask me to stop exposing Muddenahalli group false claims and misdeeds but only to tone down such writings of mine. I also had to promise her that I would not get involved in police and legal matters against MDH group (unless she provided explicit permission to me to do so). I felt that I did the right thing and did not bother about Mr. Ganti implying that I was being weak by giving in to my elder sister's requests & emotional demands on this matter.

Regarding Mr. Ganti's mails, I have not been receiving his regular mails for many months now. I had told Mr. Ganti many months ago that I want to limit our interactions to PUBLIC Facebook interactions. So, for many months now, I have had very, very limited individual mails from him to me, and similarly very, very limited Facebook private chat conversations with him. An example of an exceptional case where I have had individual Facebook chat conversation (or individual email) with him in this period, is my FAILED effort to get him to delete the offensive comment & misrepresented and doctored screenshot, and which chat conversation I put up publicly on Facebook to share with readers how much effort I made to get that offensive comment & misrepresented and doctored screenshot removed from Mr. Ganti's post.

I think Mr. Ganti will not send any individual mails to me from now on as I have publicly severed my social media writer relations with him.

Finally, I echo your ending statement, Ap Ramesh sir, May Sai bless us all. Jai Sairam!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I also felt it appropriate to share with readers that Mr. Ganti had once told me, on private Facebook chat, perhaps in 2015, that he was going to go on a fast undo death protest against Muddenahalli group. I don't recall where he was planning to do it - in Singapore or in India. Note that Muddenahalli group had made great inroads into official Sai organization in Singapore then with the leaders of the Katong, Singapore center that Mr. Ganti was associated with, being associated with Muddenahalli group. Mr. Ganti gave me the impression that he was in a minority in refusing to accept Madhusudan Rao Naidu claim, in his Katong Sai centre. I think this disturbed him enormously. When he escalated/discussed these matters to higher level Sai orgn. leaders in Singapore and in the Sai International orgn. zone that Singapore falls in, he felt that their responses to combat Muddenahalli group SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT to Sathya Sai orgn. in Singapore and associated International zone, were very inadequate. That created a desperate kind of frustration in him leading to him telling me that he is going to go on this fast unto death to force government authorities and thereby Sai orgn. authorities to step in, and stop Muddenahalli group so called communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu, Narasimhamurthy and their group from doing their activities which were a SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT to Sathya Sai orgn in Singapore and associated international zone, and in India.

I got very worried when he conveyed that to me on chat. I asked him whether he had informed his wife about it. He told me, no. I panicked. Mr. Ganti also has some health issues which he had conveyed to me earlier. I INSISTED that he inform his wife and family about this, and TAKE THEIR PERMISSION before he gets into this MAD fast unto death plan of his. I freaked out on him then in our private Facebook chat conversation. Perhaps that helped in him stepping back from taking such extreme steps.

I shared this very private matter publicly on Facebook now so that my readers know that Mr. Ganti has gone to tremendous lengths to combat Muddenahalli group and its SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT to Sai orgn. in India and internationally. Therefore the possibility of him being a paid agent of Muddenahalli group is something that I will not accept (UNLESS there is really strong evidence to back that allegation).

I think both Mr. Ganti and certainly I (as I know about my case for sure) have done our work in this matter without any payments from anybody and instead spent our own time & money, prompted by our desire to help post-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement overcome the great challenges it faced after Bhagavan's Mahasamadhi, including the biggest challenge of SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT from Muddenahalli group. However, Mr. Ganti's views and approach with respect to SSSCT is something that I disagree with profoundly, and which disagreement I have publicly expressed on Facebook and blog.
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31) Some psychiatric opinion I saw which seems to be appropriate for Facebook fake Id bully, Venkatesh Babu, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1862741790609056 dated Feb. 14th 2017

I found some words which I felt are applicable to Asathya-Adharma (untruthful and unethical) crook, Facebook fake Id bully and conspirator, Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident. I have modified those words to apply them to Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, as given below.

Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident's Facebook comments and actions demonstrate an inability to tolerate views different from his own, leading to rage reactions. His words and behavior suggest a profound inability to empathize. Individuals with these traits distort reality to suit their psychological state, attacking facts and those who convey them.
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[Original comments courtesy: a leading USA newspaper.]
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Ravi: I think well wishers of Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident should seriously consider some psychiatric evaluation and help for him.

[I thank the unnamed leading USA newspaper and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me using the above mentioned extract from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]
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Given below are some comments from the above Facebook post:

--Name-snipped-- posted an image with following text in it:
Do not correct a fool, or he will hate you. Correct a wise man and he will appreciate you.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, Given all that Venkatesh Babu has done against me, I could not resist this one :-).
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--Name-snipped-- wrote:
He / She Or IT .. I really do not know :) Has Used Filthy Language Against All Of Us
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Yes, he has targeted all of us, very viciously. Though he seemed to have enjoyed conspiring against me with his misrepresented and doctored screenshot.
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32) Don't argue with idiots, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1866140546935847, dated 21-Feb-2017

Don't argue with idiots

I see the shared message below as a message on how to deal with Muddenahalli group Facebook fake ID trolls like Asathya-Adharma crook, Facebook coward, bully and conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, for stuff like name-calling and disgusting gutter-level garbage language that they may use against truth-tellers.

But if the Asathya-Adharma crook-idiots create problems in one's real life then one should use the law enforcement services of one's country as well as other legal means like complaining to the employer of the Asathya-Adharma-crook-idiot, to deliver some real life justice to them, even if they reside in a foreign country.

[Shared FB post of Buddhist Humor, https://www.facebook.com/BuddhistHumor/photos/a.352940524786628.81480.350763405004340/1288603614553643/?type=3, has a pic and a message which has been given below as text:]

"Master, what is the secret to happiness"
"Not to argue with idiots"
"Master, I completely disagree that this is the secret"
"Yes, you are right..."
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33) Need suggestions on whether I should respond to Mr. Ganti's recent email to me, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1887838384766063, dated April 5th 2017 at 3:47 PM [Note that I have snipped some portions of the Facebook post content, in what I have given below.]

I have not received any emails from Mr. Ganti for quite some time now, till today's mail. Here's Mr. Ganti's email to me today (slightly edited):

The debate – some sort of debate – between Gautham Narendra of Mhalli Group and Chiran Basnet of Parthi Group is interesting.  --snip--.  Parthi Alumni has taken too much time to allow Mhalli to grow like a monster and now I think Mhalli is just beyond anybody to --snip--.

I thought I should let you know my personal views to you as I continue to respect you Sir.

Thanks and Regards

VR Ganti
--- end main part of Mr. Ganti's email ---

Ravi: I had clearly written Mr. Ganti in the past that I may share any email that he sends me, publicly. So I think I am being fair and ethical in publicly sharing this mail of Mr. Ganti even though he has said that these are his personal views.

I would like suggestions on whether I should:

a) Not respond to the mail

 OR

b) Ask Mr. Ganti again to delete the offensive comment from his post which led me to block him on Facebook and stop interactions with him. My view is that if he deletes it and agrees to a social media policy of deleting comments on his public posts from others (like Facebook fake Id coward, bully and conspirator, Venkatesh Babu) which are of very personal nature about others, then I could unblock him on Facebook.

I would like to follow the advice of those who publicly stuck their neck out and supported me on social media or over private messages, when Venkatesh Babu maliciously conspired and attacked me. Those persons are: Ap Ramesh, Shubha Ramesh Kumar, Ravi Raj Salyankar, Terry Reis Kennedy and Clive Raj Valydon. I request their kind and valuable advice on the matter. Jai Sairam!
--- end contents of FB post ---

Given below are some of my comments from the above FB post. Those who want to see the whole comment exchange including others' comments may please visit the above mentioned Facebook post.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon, Shubha Ramesh Kumar, Ravi Raj Salyankar - Have decided to follow your advice and take option a) Not respond to the mail. Thanks again.

Note that I have not had any communications from/with Mr. Ganti since Feb. 10th 2017 (as best as I can recall and as captured in my blog post: [this blog post] http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/misrepresentation-and-fabrication-by.html), till this recent email from him.

For the record, I confirmed that as of less than an hour ago (now my PC clock shows 11:14 AM IST, 6-Apr-2017), the offensive comment of Facebook fake Id coward, bully and conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED from Mr. Ganti's Facebook post.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Hey Clive Raj Valydon, I am not Mark Zuckerberg to "get it removed"! What I tried very, very hard to do, at that time, was convince Mr. Ganti to remove it but failed as Mr. Ganti did not budge. Therefore I retaliated by blocking him on Facebook and stopping my communications with him. That's all I could do.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, if Shubha Ramesh Kumar and/or Ravi Raj Salyankar tell me to consider option b), it will be a majority for option b) and I would be willing to consider it. But they, like you, initially preferred option a).
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, it makes me/us look like guys pleading with Ganti who is having the upper hand and refusing to do what any reasonable person should have done at my first request itself (I think this is what Shubha Ramesh Kumar was saying).
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I think Mr. Ganti tends to take offense quickly. I think he refused to delete the Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident Facebook Fake Id Bully offensive comment earlier on, as he wanted to use it to hit back at people who had hit him hard in the past. It is a rather nasty emotional situation.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ravi Raj Salyankar, I was referring to events of a year or two ago where Clive had been strongly critical of Ganti (at that time Ganti had not blocked Clive) as Ganti was attacking SSSCT. Same is the case with the other person (I don't want to name that person).
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, Mr. Ganti excels at being an agent provocateur, provoking people to react to challenging and sometimes insulting statements. I have been a target of his provocations many, many times, especially when I have supported SSSCT and some of its trustees against the harsh criticism leveled by Mr. Ganti against them. I had to fight off those provocations by making social media posts rebutting his criticism, as well as by making comments on his posts then. As, at least at that time, he had a large readership (and was also mailing out his posts to large number of people), I considered it important to rebut him.

I think it is good you have rebutted him here. You have been one of the most, if not the most, active alumni fighting Muddenahalli group FALSE BELIEF, and have stuck your neck out in this fight. I think your contributions in this regard are undeniable by any unbiased observer.

However, Mr. Ganti does seem to hold a view that his own contribution in combating this Muddenahalli group matter is the greatest and, if I recall correctly, has publicly claimed that he has "single-handedly" combated Muddenahalli group. That's his style and his belief.

My intent of sharing this mail frankly was to be transparent with the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media about Mr. Ganti's correspondence with me. The reference to you, --name-snipped--, is incidental, from my perspective.

I don't want any serious person on social media and elsewhere to have any doubts that I have completely cut off my communications with Mr. Ganti after his refusal to delete the very personal and very offensive comment about a senior office-bearer, put up by Facebook Fake Id coward, bully and conspirator, Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident on Mr. Ganti's post. That is why I shared almost the entire contents of Mr. Ganti's mail. I mean, I did it in the interests of transparency.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you Ap Ramesh sir, for your valuable advice. I had already decided to ignore/not respond. Thanks.
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34) Sathyameva Jayate! Offensive & disgusting comment of Facebook Fake Id bully & conspirator Venkatesh Babu has been deleted from Mr. Ganti's post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1891840024365899, dated April 12th 2017 at 10:09 AM.

Yesterday (11th Apr. 2017), I received a regular mailer from Mr. Ganti with subject, "IS SINGAPORE's LARGEST SAI CENTRE (AT LEAST ONCE UPON A TIME) GETTING HIJACKED BY MHALLI GANG?". I have been off his mailing list for many months now (different from a few individual mails he has sent me) and so I was quite surprised to see it. I did not react/respond to it.

But I checked whether the Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident offensive and disgusting comment dated 27th January 2017, 14:44, which included a misrepresented and fabricated screenshot from one of my posts, viciously maligning a senior office bearer of the Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system, was still shown. To MY PLEASANT SURPRISE, I found that it was not shown. But other comments of Venkatesh Babu are shown. So somebody (either Mr. Ganti or Venkatesh Babu or somebody else like a Facebook administrator) has deleted the offensive comment (and associated misrepresented and fabricated screenshot)!

I am happy that my immense efforts from January 28th 2017 to combat the vicious Shakuni poison work of Madhu Baba (Madhusudan Naidu) supporter, Facebook Fake Id coward, bully and conspirator, Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, against me, has ultimately borne fruit now, sometime around April 11th 2017. These efforts are documented in these two blog posts of mine:

* Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 1, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/my-facebook-posts-related-to.html

* Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 2, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/misrepresentation-and-fabrication-by.html

I thank those who stuck their neck out and supported me PUBLICLY on social media OR sent private messages of support, when Venkatesh Babu maliciously conspired and attacked me. In particular, I would like to PUBLICLY thank Ap Ramesh, Shubha Ramesh Kumar, Ravi Raj Salyankar, Terry Reis Kennedy and Clive Raj Valydon.

The lesson that this experience has given me is that on Sathya Sai devotee social media forums like Facebook pages/walls of notable social media writers on Sathya Sai matters, those who courageously and relentlessly confront serious Asathya (untruth) & Adharma (unethical/immoral behaviour) attacks on them like malicious conspiracies, with Sathya (truth) & Dharma (ethical/moral behaviour), eventually win! Sathyameva Jayate! [Truth alone is victorious!] [Minor name-calling Asathya & Adharma attacks on social media are like street dogs barking which can simply be ignored.]

I am very grateful to my beloved and revered Gurudev, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, to have drummed into my head, again and again, through his discourses, many of which I have had the privilege and great good fortune to have heard live in his physical divine presence, his instructions & teachings to his devotees (or non-devotee listeners/readers, for that matter) to say the truth and lead a righteous/ethical life (Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara). I must also say here that I try hard to follow Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara teaching of his (which is the Sanathana Dharma and ancient Hindu teaching) but do slip up at times, due to the many human flaws that I have.
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Given below are most of the comments from the above FB post.
[Note that, at times multiple comments have been combined into one comment below.]

Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Oh
Never forget how ganti made you beg to take it off.
He tried to teach us a lesson
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon And you should never forget that it was your immature comment related to senior office bearer, that put me into hot water, resulting in me having to demand/plead with not only Mr. Ganti but also Facebook fake Id coward, bully and conspirator, Venkatesh Babu to take it off!

And Oh! I recall that I demanded Mr. Ganti to take it off in a public FB comment on that post of his which can still be seen, I did not beg. But I did request (NOT BEG) - I used the word please, if I recall correctly - Venkatesh Babu in a direct public message exchange session I had with him to remove it. He tried to use it as a blackmail tool to get me to remove comments that he had found offensive. I refused to succumb to his blackmail.
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer This is such terrific and uplifting news. It shows how sometimes w really do need the support of our friends and well wishers. You have always taken a firm stand against fraudulent and Adharmic action. This type of speaking the truth from the heart upsets people who do not want to question the status quo, let alone try to change it. Perhaps that person, whoever he is, wishes he had the courage to be himself as you are. Why hide behind a false identity? Let people love us or hate us....but let their feelings be expressed in their own names. Honesty remains the best policy.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks a ton Terry Reis Kennedy for your supportive comment.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Sorry my mistake of wording
Not beg but demanded and yes it was down to my Immaturity that lead to that comment being put up.
Again my sorries for that.
Hopefully we can all move on from this now.
But ganti could have shown a more gentlemen approach to you
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Hey Clive Raj Valydon, so nice of you to make the above comment. You are a good guy with a good heart even if you freak out emotionally when you are angry. Yes, we should all be able to move on now. About Mr. Ganti part, I don't want to comment as I have told him that if I criticize him I will tag him and let him know about it. I prefer not to have any interactions with Mr. Ganti.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
It's fair to say that the comment stayed up due to ganti wanting to punish me and I suppose you was used as scapegoat and it was your name that he was he was trying to damage
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon Yes, he seems to have used it against us to try to teach us a lesson!!!
But eventually he failed.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
We all freak out emotionally sir
Jus not in public.
I may be the only one who feels comfortable enough to do so in public
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon, Well, language usage in UK and USA and even in some communities in cities like Mumbai in India (where I was born & brought up) allows sexual stuff to be used even in casual conversation. But it is very different in Sai circles where those words are a strict no-no, even in verbal conversation let alone public written conversation like Facebook public comments.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
I agree
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Also remember I freeked out due to a few people trying to bully u that day.
I jumped in as I felt they were getting the upper hand in an argument.
Most people would have stayed quiet
My Immaturity led to me jumping in
I'm sorry about that
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, the comment you made was not related to any issue I was having with others. It came from out of the blue.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
True
I agree with that
Bottom line I respect you sir and I'm truly sorry for any damage done
Jai Sai ram [Smiley-icon]
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon, I appreciated then and still appreciate your public social media support for me when I was attacked on social media. That's why I did not delete the comment right away but checked whether it was OK with you. You did not want it to be deleted. But by the time I put my foot down and deleted it (3 minutes) those guys had taken a screenshot!!!!
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Yes true
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon, I deeply appreciate your devotion to Bhagavan and your social media work in countering the FALSE BELIEF of Madhu Baba and his devotees. You are doing a great service to Sathya Sai fraternity. Most people prefer to watch but not get involved in the fray out of fear. You are fearless on social media. That's really great!
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
I jus want to say my sorries to all who got hurt.
It was down to me that comment went up but I feel if ganti had any sort of respect for you he would have deleted that comment.
That episode showed that ganti does not respect you and this is my opinion only.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ganti let me hang out to dry! And his comments show that he was enjoying it! He said I had gone crazy!
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Exactly that must never be forgotten sir
My sorries to you again sir
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Hey Clive Raj Valydon, please don't keep saying sorry. I am embarrassed.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Ok ok lol
Done
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
I will not get in touch with (communicate with) Ganti again unless you guys give me the OK.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Good
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
iyer sir, very happy. Clyve, it is very nice of you to also say that you are sorry. all looks so beautiful and full of love. no slitting the throats like singapore guy. God bless.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you Ap Ramesh sir.
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A response (slightly edited) I gave over email to a correspondent on the above Facebook post contents:

It (my work related to this matter) was over a period of two and a half months (Jan end to just before mid April), and not continuous, but in fits & bursts. But it was dogged and hard work from me. I was not letting it go, despite most people advising me to let it go.

I did let it go for periods, but whenever the opportunity presented itself, I dug deeper instead of letting it go. That's what seems to have delivered the good results!
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Extracts from another email response from me:
What I have learned over the past two years or so that I have been active on Facebook, which is the main platform for Sathya Sai devotees on social media, is that social media mirrors real life human relationships and interactions with one additional scary feature of lack of accountability of fake Facebook users making perhaps good Dr. Jekyll figures into monstrous Mr. Hyde figures!

Another learning is that Facebook interactions on some matters in the Sathya Sai fraternity has a direct impact on one's real life! I am now a noted Facebook (and blog) writer on Sathya Sai matters in Puttaparthi, with many people SILENTLY reading what I have written, and only a few people having the courage to openly comment on controversial topics involving powerful people.
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However, today the Muddenahalli supporters in Puttaparthi are a small minority (they were perhaps a kind of big minority if not majority, from end 2011 to mid 2016 when some staff were removed from Puttaparthi ashram system for openly associating with Muddenahalli group!!!). I think my social media work exposing Muddenhalli group from March 2015 onwards did contribute in a not-insignificant way to reducing the big minority/majority of Muddenahalli supporters in Puttaparthi, to a small minority from mid 2016 onwards. Perhaps due to that, now I have the support of many people, including some powerful people, in Puttaparthi for my writings exposing FALSE BELIEF of Muddenahalli group.
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But my work exposing FALSE BELIEF of Muddenahalli group seems to be hurting them (Muddenahalli group) in terms of weaning away some followers and keeping away some recruits they are trying to attract, both from India and from other countries in the world, including the rich Western world countries (an important donor base for them). So they attacked me on social media with a nasty conspiracy! They tried to discredit me and silence me on social media through that attack! As simple as that!

It was my first experience of such vicious conspiracy against me which I had read and viewed about in relation to Indian and USA political leaders! Anyway, the saga seems to be finally over, with me having learned one heck of a lot about how to handle such vicious conspiracies against me on social media (which impact my real life in Puttaparthi, like this one had impacted for some time). Also I realized how I could prevent them in the first place by simply deleting any very sensitive stuff like sexual stuff comments related to top people of the ashram system without getting into any polite discussion about me planning to delete them.
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I think Venkatesh Babu eventually realized that if he pacified me by removing the comment, I might not pursue any future leads I might get to expose him. And so, I think, he removed the comment. Or Mr. Ganti may have removed the comment to try to have me communicate again with him. Ganti is trying quite a bit to get me to communicate with him.

So that's how this thing played out. I don't think I will expose Venkatesh Babu now even if I come to know in future who the real person is. My anger against him has cooled with the comment being removed.

If I am attacked again with another vicious conspiracy against me by Muddenahalli group, I think I will be able to handle it better emotionally as I have been through the fire of this first one. I hope it does not happen again. But it could. I am prepared and ready for it now.
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My (Ravi S. Iyer) response (edited) to private Facebook message:
I feel very happy that it (offensive comment made by Venkatesh Babu) finally got deleted from Mr. Ganti's post. I think that the Bhaskar Iyer of Melbourne, Australia, social media exposure (that he is collaborating with OR is Venkatesh Babu) resulted in Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident getting scared that he might get exposed next in social media (presuming he is not Bhaskar Iyer). Venkatesh Babu has gone quiet in terms of his criticism now. His Asathya & Adharma was defeated by Sathya & Dharma. So I am happy with the victory of Sathya & Dharma over Venkatesh Babu's Asathya & Adharma.
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[I thank Facebook user Buddhist Humor and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above short extracts from their Facebook page on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]