Monday, October 31, 2016

USA President Obama's Diwali wishes of peace and happiness

Given below are USA President Obama's Facebook post,
https://www.facebook.com/potus/photos/a.428389484017564.1073741830.424207551102424/555043898018788/?type=1&theater, pic and text contents.



To all who are celebrating the festival of lights across America and around the world, happy Diwali. As Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, and Buddhists light the diya, share in prayers, decorate their homes, and open their doors to host and feast with loved ones, we recognize that this holiday rejoices in the triumph of good over evil and knowledge over ignorance. It also speaks to a broader truth about our shared American experience. It's a reminder of what's possible when we see beyond the differences that too often divide us. It's a reflection of the hopes and dreams that bind us together. And it's a time to renew our collective obligation to deepen those bonds, to stand in each other's shoes and see the world through each other's eyes, and to embrace each other as brothers and sisters - and as fellow Americans.

I was proud to be the first President to host a Diwali celebration at the White House in 2009, and Michelle and I will never forget how the people of India welcomed us with open arms and hearts and danced with us in Mumbai on Diwali. This year, I was honored to kindle the first-ever diya in the Oval Office - a lamp that symbolizes how darkness will always be overcome by light. It is a tradition that I hope future Presidents will continue.

On behalf of the entire Obama family, I wish you and your loved ones peace and happiness on this Diwali.
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Ravi: I put up the following comment on the above mentioned Facebook post of President Obama:

Thank you sir for your wonderful gesture and Diwali wishes of happiness and peace. As an Indian living in India, who has lived in the USA in the past and has many friends and a few relatives in the USA today, I very much appreciate the religious pluralism values (including respect for those of no religion) that your presidency has safeguarded in the USA.

In God We Trust is the official motto of the USA (adopted in 1956, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust). It is truly inspiring to see a USA president protecting and encouraging people of faith in the USA who may worship God in the traditions and beliefs of their own religions or worship God through traditions of multiple religions, while faithfully obeying the laws of the USA.

I personally am a lover of God and religions. I feel truly blessed to live in a country, India, that allows me to freely worship what I believe to be the ONE AND THE SAME GOD/DIVINE POWER who/which is eternal and changeless, from various religious traditions of Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Jainism etc.

Thank you sir for protecting and promoting the vital freedom of freedom of religion/faith (including freedom to have no religion/faith). I pray to Almighty God to shower His Grace on you sir, your family and other loved ones.
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[I thank USA President Obama and have presumed that he will not have any objections to me sharing the above contents of his Facebook post, on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Sathya Sai Central Trust trustee S.S. Naganand talks about Loka Seva Trust issues

Last updated on 1st Nov. 2016
Given below are the contents of a shared Facebook post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1811431195740116, and my comments on it.

[The shared FB link is https://www.facebook.com/terry.reiskennedy/posts/10211151939893163. The most important part of this post is this youtube video link in it, S.S. Naganand speaks with Terry Reis Kennedy about Muddenahalli, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5iO1cG-oMc, 46 min 44 secs.]

Great work Terry Reis Kennedy! Thanks a ton!

I think this is a superb and very informative interview of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, Trustee Shri S.S. Naganand by you. Your questions were very pertinent as viewed from the concerns of the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media at large, and elicited clear answers from Shri Naganand. I think your investigative reporter background would have played a role in the superb way in which you conducted the interview.

I thank Shri Naganand for agreeing to have this interview and being gracious to answer the questions Terry posed, in a clear way. Now I think Sai devotees who want to know what exactly happened with respect to the Chikaballapur court case including the background information about Loka Seva Trust, can view this video to get an authoritative SSSCT view from one of the key persons associated with the matter.
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A comment of mine in this post is given below:
I would like to say that I have seen Bhagavan talking to Shri Narayan Rao in Sai Kulwant Hall on many occasions. I often used to sit in the old students block area for Darshan which is where Shri Narayan Rao would be seated along with Muddenahalli students accompanying him, when they came to Prasanthi Nilayam for Swami darshan. Bhagavan would always seem to be very happy to talk to Shri Narayan Rao. I got the impression that Shri Narayan Rao was a very dedicated devotee and Tyagajeevi worker for Swami's mission which is why Bhagavan interacted with him so many times, which I have seen myself from quite close distance.

Now I have never talked to Shri Narayan Rao. But when I asked around (after Muddenahalli so called subtle body claims became public in May 2014) I found that people in general have had great respect for him.

I am very saddened to hear about Shri Narayan Rao's alleged involvement in the Loka Seva Trust deed amendments as stated by Shri Naganand. Now I am of the view that Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy has, very unfortunately, got caught up in some delusion and is misguiding many people. But how did Shri Narayan Rao come under that delusion??? That is what baffles me. How is Shri Narayan Rao endorsing the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu??? Has not Shri Narayan Rao interacted with Bhagavan in physical form so many times, and has he not read Swami discourses and instructions on matters related to mediums, to KNOW that what Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Narasimhamurthy are doing GOES AGAINST the teachings of our Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba??? I repeat that this is what really baffles me.

And then I hear about so many people having great respect for Shri Gangadhara Bhatt. How did Shri Gangadhara Bhatt end up participating in these allegedly illegal trust deed changes??

Shri Gangadhara Bhatt and Shri Narayan Rao, have been PUBLICLY PRAISED by Bhagavan in Sai Kulwant Hall (if I recall correctly, I was sitting in Sai Kulwant Hall that day)!

I think Shri Gangadhara Bhatt and Shri Narayan Rao should give a video interview giving their view of the matter so that people like me who have great respect for them as I have personally seen how much Bhagavan respected them for their work, can know what their view is. Surely, as veteran Sai educationists, they would know that Sathyam Vada, Dharmam Chara (Speak the truth; follow ethical/moral life) is what Bhagavan was deeply concerned about. I urge Shri Gangadhara Bhatt and Shri Narayan Rao sirs to DIRECTLY TELL Sai devotees their view of the matter using social media and uphold Sathya and Dharma in this regard.

I wonder whether any Muddenahalli group brothers who read this comment can pass it on to Shri Narayan Rao and Shri Gangadhar Bhat sirs. Jai Sairam!
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Given below are some comment exchanges on this matter on Terry Reis Kennedy's Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/terry.reiskennedy/posts/10211151939893163.

In response to a comment "Do you really think that Shri Narayan Rao and Shri Gangadhar Bhat sirs. need to read this??? They get their instruction directly from Swami, so just let them do their very noble work.", I (Ravi) responded (slightly edited):

Well, are they not Indian citizens who have to follow Indian law? Are they not esteemed Sai educationists who should convey their views on this matter which has created so much confusion and pain in the Sathya Sai movement, to Sathya Sai devotees at large? Do they not have a duty towards the Sathya Sai fraternity? I think they do.

The attitude of saying that since they take instructions from what you and perhaps they, believe to be Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's instructions conveyed by Madhusudhan Rao Naidu, so they don't need to respond to serious and genuine concerns or questions, is an improper attitude, in my view.

Yes, they may choose to ignore my words even if it is conveyed to them, as they don't know me and so don't know how much value should be placed to my questions and concerns. That is their prerogative. But are Shri Gangadhar Bhatt and Shri Narayan Rao above responding to questions on these lines from anybody other than Madhusudan Rao Naidu perhaps???? If so, that would be a rather sorry state of affairs, in my view.

I mean, they can ignore me as I am a small and relatively unknown guy, but they should not ignore respected and honourable elders of Sathya Sai fraternity who would have similar concerns/questions to what I have raised.
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In response to a comment, "Ravi S. Iyer.... u left out Sri Indulal Shah...", I (Ravi) responded:
Indulal Shah sir is, I believe, a Chartered Accountant and had his own practice. He is not an educationist. However, he and his late wife Sarla madam, I believe, would have been closely associated with Bal Vikas movement, and in that capacity they would have to be viewed as Bal Vikas educationists perhaps. In contrast, I believe that Gangadhar Bhat sir and Narayan Rao sir are teachers by profession and have held responsible administrative positions in the schools they were associated with. So they are proper educationists and since they taught the Sai system of a blend of Sai spiritual education and secular education, I think they have to be viewed as esteemed Sai educationists.
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Mr. Arun Srinivas, an ex student of Muddenhalli school, made some comments on the post. I have given below some points from his comments.

Being an old student of muddenahalli ...

Sri Narayana Rao and Sri Gangadhar Bhat are not the people who can get involved....whatever may be of Muddenahalli drama....they are not that people who fall into the cheap category who can collude with fraudsters like Madhusudhan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy

Gangadhar Bhat was the translator of SANATHANA SARATHI FOR 4 DECADES......He is just like a CHILD.....

He is a person where we have seen swami in him....to talk about him....I am small speck of dust......If Swami appears in physical form now....He will just say to gangadhar bhat not to live in the midst of these fraudsters....SUCH IS THE LOVE SWAMI HAS IN OUR MUDDENAHALLI TEACHERS.
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I (Ravi) responded (slightly edited):
Arun Srinivas, Brother as you are an old student from Muddenahalli/Alike schools, I can understand your pain and anguish due to these institutions having come under the false claim spell of Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Shri Narasimhamurthy. ...

So your view is that Shri Narayan Rao and Shri Gangadhar Bhat DO NOT believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims. But they are showing support to Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Narasimhamurthy by being present on the stage along with them for some events. So people would naturally presume that they (Shri Narayan Rao and Shri Gangadhar Bhat) believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims!

Perhaps due to some reasons (financial?) they are simply showing to the public as if they believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims. Running these educational institutions, especially in today's India where teachers expect to be paid good salaries, would need a lot of money. Funds crunch can be a horrible problem for educational institutions. Perhaps them providing support to Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Shri Narasimhamuthy resolves their funds crunch issues.

I don't want to comment much on the physical attack allegation as that is just too sensitive a matter for me. But if such a thing did happen, I condemn it unequivocally.

Thanks. Jai Sairam!
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Arun Srinivas wrote (slightly edited):
Ravi S. Iyer ... EXACTLY BOTH Gangadhar Bhat nor Narayana Rao doesn't believe in these DRAMA....There is bigger conspiracy to get both this elders into this by these fraudster.....THE MAIN CULPRIT IS NARASIMHAMURTHY.....SIMPLE AS THAT.
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V.R. Ganti responded:
Sai Ram to all - I spoke with Shri Gangadhar Bhat almost a year back or so. He was at that time having some heart issue and was operated I think. He was quite old as it appeared to me from the discussions. He does not know English and was comfortable in talking Kannada (though I was not very comfortable) and he was comfortable to talk in Hindi. He does not have a cell phone. I had to reach out to him though his caretaker. I wanted to talk to him because at that time there was some sort of rift that was going on between GB and BNNM. GB knew about me and wanted me to go over to Alike and I was not interested to travel to India/Alike.

My view is that GB was in the clutches of BNNM, though I am not very sure about it. However, as regards, Narayana Rao, I dont have any information.

The main point I think is WHY DID BNNM BREAKAWAY. I am aware and many of you must also be aware of the reason, but BNNM should make a public statement on this subject and that is when we can totally resolve the MHALLI SAGA vis-a-vis PARTHI
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I (Ravi) wrote:
Thanks for your info. about Gangadhar Bhat sir, Vr Ganti sir.
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[I thank Shri Arun Srinivas and Shri V.R. Ganti and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above comments of theirs from the Facebook post mentioned above, on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Thursday, October 27, 2016

Clive Raj Valydon's direct interaction with Swami in Feb 2002 on how to handle controversy

Given below are some exchanges I had with Clive Raj Valydon on his Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/sathyanarayana.raju.9/posts/874068599396292

[Please note that the interaction mentioned below that Clive had with Swami (Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba) seems to have happened in an interview Swami gave to Clive.]

I (Ravi) commented (slightly edited):

Thank you so much brother Clive Raj Valydon for sharing your experience with Swami. I would like to share with others these words of yours particularly, from this post:

Swami had answered this question during the controversy that surrounded him.
I held his hands kissed it and cried and he gave me a slap on my cheeks and said take padnamaska.
Swami explained to me that
See how much good swami does
Still swami cannot please everybody
Then swami told it doesn't matter how much of good you do.
You cannot please everybody
It is enough if you please God only.
Make God happy and leave the rest of the world to him.
If swami cannot make everybody happy then who are you (to make everybody happy).
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I view the above words as a very, very valuable contribution from you, brother Clive, to the Sathya Sai fraternity and Sathya Sai mission. May I share the above words on my blog attributing it to you (and giving the link of this Facebook post)?

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Clive Raj Valydon responded:
Yes sir if it may help Pls share it
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I (Ravi) wrote:
Brother Clive Raj Valydon, I am sure it will be of great help to many as this is a DIRECT INTERACTION between you and physical form Swami on the matter. Thanks a ton for your approval to share publicly (with attribution to you). BTW do you remember the year this DIRECT INTERACTION happened?
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Yes sir feb 14th 2002
St Valentine's Day
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I (Ravi) responded:
Wow! What a memory you have bro.!!! I am eagerly waiting for your book. Thanks a ton!
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My 2011 Dharma Sankat (Ethical Dilemma) about HOD opposition to my Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini and other IT work in the Sai university

I have given below a comment on this post, which I felt is appropriate to put at the top of this looong post instead of the bottom.

In my associated Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1809933989223170, in response to comments that my post is too long and a request to make it short, I (Ravi) wrote (slightly edited):

My post is a record of correspondence related to a follow-orders-of-boss strict hierarchy discipline culture in the Sai university versus a more democratic right-to-question-boss culture like in the international software industry that I was in for nearly two decades prior to me offering FREE SERVICE in the Sai university for nine years with designation of Honorary Staff, Honorary Faculty and Visiting Faculty. It also is related to how spiritual vision of what Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba conceived as a DIVINE university may sometimes get ignored due to narrow "pure academics" vision of some academic departments/department heads/higher university authorities like vice-chancellor, registrar & controller of examinations.

In my view, the correspondence has to be presented in full to be an authentic record. Yes, its length will put off many people who will therefore not read it. That's fine. The post is meant only for those who have to grapple with or want to understand such issues of philosophy/vision of a spiritual university getting lost in narrower vision of "pure academics" administrators (like HOD, Director, Registrar, Controller of Examinations, vice-chancellor).
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Proper post begins.

Please note that this is a very long post. Readers may want to skim through it quickly first and then read it properly only if the matter is of interest to them.

I felt it appropriate to share the following mail exchanges of mine, as a record/chronicle of the administrative type problems I faced while doing and and promoting IT (Information Technology) work in an ethical way in the Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Sai university). While I have moved on to another field of social media writing on spirituality & religion and some other topics as well, I think the exchange given below may be of use to some others who may find themselves in a similar position as me, and so I decided to chronicle/record it publicly.

I had a concern about sharing what I had marked then as confidential, on this blog publicly now. But so much of unethical stuff has happened not only with how the administrators of the Sai university (SSSIHL) treated me (for details about it, see my blog post: My May 2012 service record & record tampering related correspondence with Sai university (SSSIHL) administrators, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/11/my-may-2012-service-record-record.html, dated Nov. 13th 2015, last updated 2nd Sept. 2016), but also with how the Sai university was HIJACKED by the TRAITORS Narasimhamurthy and former vice-chancellor, Sashidhara Prasad, from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014. Given those happenings, and the fact that the responses of the Controller of Examinations of the Sai university then, Shri G.S. Srirangarajan, are not revealing any really sensitive information that may harm the Sai university future prospects, I felt it appropriate to share it publicly now.

Note that in the mails below, HOD stands for Head of Department, and HOD of the dept. I was associated with, DMACS, then was Chandrasekaran also known as Chase. 'Dharma Sankat' is a Sanskrit/Indian vernacular languages term meaning ethical or moral dilemma. TCS stands for Tata Consultancy Services.

[Text of first mail of mine is given below]
From: Sri Ravi S Iyer DMACS, SSSIHL <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
Date: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Subject: Confidential: Request for 'Dharma Sankat' resolution advice
To: Registrar SSSIHL <registrar@sssihl.edu.in>, Controller of Examinations SSSIHL <controller@sssihl.edu.in>

Sairam Registrar sir, Controller sir,

Please treat this mail as Confidential.

I have got into a 'conflict of duty'/'Dharma Sankat' situation and request advise from you sirs.

In connection with, IMHO, two wonderful 'service to society' Information Technology (IT) applications developed by students & faculty of DMACS, I find that there is a strong conflict of views between HOD, DMACS, Prof. Chandraesekaran (as well as some of the senior faculty of DMACS), and me. One of the applications is a 'Publications Db' web application meant to help students & faculty of various departments search for Publications, Dissertations etc. authored by SSSIHL students & faculty, and another is a 'Learn Conversational Telugu from English'/'Sai Maata' web application meant to help non-Telugu speaking students & faculty pick up conversational Telugu / enjoy Telugu in Bhagavan's Divine Voice.

There also is a 'conflict of view' about me trying to associate with Bhagavan's wonderful Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini project in the IT application (web programming) area. Note that there is no conflict in me associating with any Computer Science research project related to Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini.

I feel it is my duty to promote these applications and expose other SSSIHL faculty (of other departments) to them and collaborate with interested such faculty for further progress in these applications. However HOD sir (as well as some of the senior faculty of DMACS) seem to have different views.

Yesterday I got very frustrated with what I perceive to be non-cooperation from HOD sir (as well as some senior faculty of DMACS). Today the emotional charged situation has been defused and I was able to discuss some other (non-conflicting) matter in an amiable way with HOD sir (and some senior faculty of DMACS). But the non-cooperation on IT applications area issue is still not resolved.

On deeper analysis I feel that the non-cooperation stems from a CS vs. IT (Computer Science vs. Information Technology) issue and the CS (and Maths) research vision that HOD sir (as well as some of the senior faculty of DMACS) have for the department. I feel I should explain & discuss these issues with a higher SSSIHL authority and get advise on what is the 'dharmic' thing for me to do now.

I am not an academician and come from an easygoing software industry culture where we did not have strict hierarchies and strict discipline. I also have had good exposure to the 'spiritual' discipline and culture of the Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organization, Maharashtra, of which I was blessed to be a member for around 7 to 8 years.

I do not know whether it is appropriate for me, in SSSIHL culture, to raise such 'conflict of duty' issues between me & HOD sir, to higher authorities. If that is not appropriate please let me know and I will try to simply fall in line with HOD sir's instructions & views.

If on the other hand, SSSIHL culture allows me to discuss with higher authorities like you sirs, the 'conflict of duty' issue between me & HOD sir, and get advice on the 'dharmic' thing to do, I request you to let me share details of the issue with you sirs. It may be best if I can email you the details and follow it up with a meeting if required and if you can spare the time. But if you would like it to be done differently please let me know. If you would like to speak on the telephone to me, please feel free to call me on my cell: --snip--.

I would like to clearly explain that this is NOT an EGO issue for me. I repeat that if SSSIHL culture is that I have to fall in line with HOD sir's views, just let me know and I will try to do that.

I would also like to say that both Chase sir (HOD sir) and I have health problems :-). These sort of emotionally charged situations are not good for the health of either of us. So it will be best if this 'conflict of duty' is resolved and the situation is handled with minimal emotional disturbance :-).

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)
Cell: --snip--
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[Response from then Controller of Examinations, Shri G.S. Srirangarajan]

from: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
to: "Sri Ravi S Iyer DMACS, SSSIHL" <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:58 AM
subject: Re: Confidential: Request for 'Dharma Sankat' resolution advice

Dear Mr. Ravi Iyer

Sairam! Sorry for my delayed response. I really do not know whether I can help you in this matter, in my position as the COE. However, I would not mind having a chat with you and possibly try to understand the issue and share my views about it. If that helps we could surely meet up some time.

I did speak to the Registrar and he said he would get in touch with you shortly regarding this matter.

Loving Regards
G.S. Srirangarajan
Controller of Examinations
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
(Deemed to be University)
Prasanthi Nilayam - 515 134
Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh
India
www.sssihl.edu.in
controller@sssihl.edu.in
gssrirangarajan@sssihl.edu.in
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[My response to CoE, Shri G.S. Srirangarajan]

from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:11 PM
subject: Re: Confidential: Request for 'Dharma Sankat' resolution advice

Sairam COE sir,

Thank you for your response.

I had felt that I should send my "Request for 'Dharma Sankat' resolution advice" mail to you too (in addition to Registrar sir) as I feel that both are key positions in understanding and implementing the vision of SSSIHL. The 'Dharma Sankat', IMHO, can best be resolved by understanding it in the context of the vision of the university as set by Bhagavan, our Chancellor.

I appreciate your willingness to have a chat with me. I also thank you for having spoken about it to the Registrar.

However I feel it will be better for me to send an email response to you (as given below). I hope you do not mind me sending it to you via email. Email allows me to clearly state my views (though I acknowledge that the mails are somewhat lengthy :-)). It allows the recipients to view it at their convenience and refer to it again whenever required. Of course certain sensitivities have to borne in mind while communicating via email, and I think I have taken care of that.

The email content below explains the issue. If you feel it is appropriate to be forwarded to Registrar sir or Vice-Chancellor sir please do so. If, on the other hand, you, sir, feel that it may be inappropriate for you to do so, I will fully understand and will not be disappointed in the least. I must say that your willingness to communicate with me on this sensitive matter gives me hope that I may get a clear resolution of the 'conflict of duty' issue. Note that I will fully accept a decision from administrative authorities of SSSIHL even if I may not be convinced of it, as, IMHO, the administrative authorities of SSSIHL are the best judges of the vision of SSSIHL and it is my duty, while I am offering Seva in SSSIHL, to fall in line with their directives.

Email drafted for Registrar sir, Controller of Examinations sir on 'Conflict of Duty'/'Dharma Sankat' issue between me and HOD sir (not yet sent to Registrar sir)
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Sairam sirs,

I would like to first say that, in my humble analysis, the root of the problem lies in a Computer Science vs. Information Technology (CS vs. IT) issue.

Specifically, I have the strong impression that HOD sir and many, but not all, of the student-turned faculty of DMACS are of the opinion that DMACS should focus only on Computer Science Research (besides Mathematics Research). Information Technology work like Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini (SSSVV) web programming work are considered by HOD sir and most, but not all, DMACS faculty to be a dilution of the Computer Science focus of the department.

I must also mention that academic Computer Science research projects involving Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini are well accepted by HOD sir & other DMACS faculty.

I am not an academician and so I may be wrong but I feel perhaps they may be right in their view from a pure academics standpoint.

I am disinterested in Computer Science research. My interest area is teaching practical computer programming skills and providing technical & programming consultancy to projects where we create computer software to serve society with love and detachment which will help us in our spiritual uplift. And (please excuse me for blowing my own bugle) as I have very strong industry software design & programming skills, I feel that I have the right skill set to help students in these areas. If you would like to know about my software background please see attached my BioData and IndustryWorkExperience documents.

I currently teach an Information Technology oriented Web programming course for IInd M.Sc. (2 semester course). Using previous M.Sc. Dissertation Computer project work & mini-project work from the 'Web programming' course we have produced some interesting web applications, namely, 'Publications Db' meant to help students & faculty of various departments search for Publications, Dissertations etc. authored by SSSIHL students & faculty, and another is a 'Learn Conversational Telugu from English'/'Sai Maata' web application meant to help non-Telugu speaking students & faculty pick up conversational Telugu / enjoy Telugu in Bhagavan's Divine Voice.

I feel it is my duty to promote these applications and expose other SSSIHL faculty (of other departments) to them and collaborate with any interested faculty for further progress in these applications. If after doing this promotion & exposure of DMACS IT 'Service to Society' work, if I find that other faculty are not interested or that the software does not effectively serve society, I will accept the rejection gracefully and may take some input for improving the software.

For this purpose of promotion & exposure of DMACS IT work, all I needed was a 'shared' web server where I can host these applications. Then I could mail the intranet url (web address) to interested faculty of SSSIHL (including departments other than DMACS) so that they could view the applications on a browser running on a PC in their departments (like they access eGuru). My considered technical opinion is that the load on the 'shared' web server due to these applications will be minimal as these applications are light and currently may only be demonstrated.

I was very dismayed to find that HOD sir & some other faculty of DMACS did not help me by making such a 'shared' web server available. Instead I was told that I should go to 'Computer Center'!!! Are these applications not DMACS applications?? Are they low-level IT work which should be shunted off to 'Computer Center' with DMACS doing only Computer Science (and Mathematics) Research work?? And if it has to be hosted on "Computer Center" server should not HOD sir take the initiative by communicating with Computer Center?? If I try to contact Computer Center on my own (without the backing of my HOD) for this hosting, they may bounce me back to my department!!

Perhaps HOD sir & some other faculty of DMACS are right about DMACS staying away from IT work. In which case why have an IT oriented 'web programming course' at all? We should then have only Computer Science research oriented Lab courses.

This is one manifestation of my 'Dharma Sankat'.

Another manifestation of the 'Dharma Sankat' is IT oriented work in Bhagavan's Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini project (different from Computer Science research work for SSSVV). I presumed that as Bhagavan is our Chancellor and had personally come to college (in October last year if I recall correctly) when, I am told, brother Satyajit Salian made a presentation on SSSVV and requested DMACS (and another department) to help, that DMACS would be happy if some teacher got interested in it. I was very keen on it. And I planned to install SSSVV on a DMACS server and then consider doing the Web programming course on the software platform (PHP/mySQL, Joomla, Moodle etc.) that it uses.

I must also say that students seem to be very keen on getting involved with SSSVV in some way in the 'Web programming' course (but not as M.Sc. dissertation or as M.Tech projects where they prefer research oriented dissertations/projects).

I was somewhat puzzled to find that HOD sir & most of the other faculty in DMACS were not really interested. I felt that fine, if they are not interested at least let me take it up. But HOD sir controls access to machine resources as well as people resources (like System administrator). I was very dismayed to find it to be an uphill battle to procure the machine resource to install SSSVV and even get permission to interact with the TCS SSSVV development team. As SSSVV uses a lot of software components and uses Red Hat Enterprise Linux (which is not free, i.e. needs a license), there are many challenges/problems to get it set up on Fedora Linux (which is free). The TCS development team is responsive in their communication but the problems are taking time to get sorted out.

I find that at DMACS side, I have to do everything alone (cannot request System Administrator to get involved as HOD sir is not interested). And in our environment where HOD sir is very, very powerful, one man alone who does not have the support of the HOD can easily get isolated and defeated.

Latest update on local SSSVV installation on DMACS server: Though HOD sir, it seems to me, is not interested in SSSVV and is very, very slow on giving me resources for SSSVV, I have been working very hard over the past few days to install SSSVV on local DMACS server with extensive interaction with the TCS SSSVV team over email & phone. By Bhagavan's Grace, I am very close to getting it done.

In all probability, I will have the wonderful Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini software running on a DMACS server before March 31st which, IMHO, ideally, should be made accessible to all interested students & faculty of all departments of SSSIHL. HOD sir, IMHO, will not be happy if that happens though he may not say anything as SSSVV is quite a 'high profile' project as of now.

As mentioned earlier, I teach a 2 semester Web Programming Course for IInd M.Sc. students. Past 2 years I have taught it on the Microsoft ASP.Net & Microsoft SQL Server/Access platform. I intend to propose changing the platform of the Web programming course to PHP/mySQL and software components like Joomla, Moodle etc. that SSSVV uses. This will enable me to teach students the web programming skill set as applied to SSSVV platform over 1 & 1/2 semesters, and have a 1/2 semester mini-project (Jan 15th to March 1st/2nd week) on SSSVV IT development. The learning goals of the students will be fully met and additionally they will have the great opportunity to work on Bhagavan's wonderful SSSVV project, and the exposure to a real-life software produced by TCS will be, IMHO, a fantastic learning experience for them.

I have to clarify that HOD sir is NOT STOPPING ME from my efforts in associating with SSSVV IT work in the Web Programming course in any way.

A 'conflict of duty' issue for me after SSSVV installation on DMACS server (which may happen anytime in the near future) will be:
Should I understand the 'unexpressed but clearly understood by his actions' disinterest of HOD sir in IT work of SSSVV and keep it limited only to my Web programming course students?

Or should I go against his unsaid views and allow local SSSVV site on DMACS server to be accessible to all departments of SSSIHL, and collaborate with faculty of other departments who are interested in associating with the IT work possibilities of SSSVV?

I would be very happy to receive your valuable views on this rather long email :-). If your views align with HOD sir then I will try to fall in line with HOD sir's views.

Another thing I must say is that I had prepared a document on exploring ways in which SSSIHL could participate and contribute to the IT component of Bhagavan's mission. [As of today, the IT component in many of Bhagavan's wonderful organizations like SSSCT, SSSIHMS, SSSST and even SSSIHL administration is quite significant.] I mailed the document to HOD sir on January 7th this year. I thought that he might open it up for discussion in the department. Instead he chose to stay silent.

Recently when I asked whether I could forward the document to higher authorities as he (HOD sir) had not shown any interest, he wrote that the 'the timing for this is yet to ripe and recommended to wait' but added that he will not stop me from sending it to higher authorities. I feel there is nothing wrong in airing some suggestions/views to higher authorities (Registrar sir, Controller sir, and if they find it appropriate they could forward it to Respected Vice-Chancellor sir). They can simply reject the entire view and I will accept the rejection gracefully.

If you sirs feel that I can forward that document to you, please let me know. I would be very glad to send it.

I must say that I do not have any personal grudges or personal issues with HOD sir. He works very hard for DMACS - far, far harder than me (I am not a Karma Yogi like HOD sir). We just have strong differences of opinion in the CS vs. IT issue. I wish him well.

I pray to Bhagavan to give an amicable, peaceful and Dharmic solution to my problem.


Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:06 PM
subject: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam CoE sir,

I thought I should update you about a small, friendly meeting that I had with Prof. Chandraesekaran today. I told Chase sir, that with Bhagavan's current health we should try to understand each other and work together giving minimal trouble to administrative authorities.

Prof. Chase responded very well and we had a very friendly chat. I think we both understand our different viewpoints in the CS vs. IT issue.

IMHO, if higher authorities of SSSIHL are able to give clear directives on whether DMACS should get involved with IT, and if so, to what extent, that will sort out this CS vs. IT confusion/conflict.

I also informed HOD sir of the request I made to higher administrative authorities to get advise on this issue.

BTW, with ever-willing support from TCS support staff, I have been able to successfully install Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini software on DMACS server today. I have forwarded the 'Thank you' mail that I sent to the TCS SSSVV team that I interacted with.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)



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From: Ravi Iyer <riyer02@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:50 PM
Subject: SSSVV running on DMACS server!!!
To: [email ids of TCS staff Rajesh Agarwal , Nandkishor Mardikar and Palash Pal]
Cc: "Prof. Jayaprakash V" --snip--, Vigneshwaran G --snip-- [Vignesh was part of Satyajit Salian led SSSVV team]


Dear all,

I am very happy to say that with ever-willing support from Palash, I have been able to successfully install Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini software on standalone (single server) in DMACS, SSSIHL.

In the process I have got reasonable familiarity with the installation process, which gives me the confidence that, if needed, I will be able to re-install this version of the software again, with minor support only, and that too if required.

This puts me in a very comfortable position to teach students Web Programming using PHP/mySQL and other components like Joomla, Moodle etc. that SSSVV uses. Mini-projects (from Jan 15th to March 1st/2nd week) are certainly possible on SSSVV, though the initial year mini-projects may deal more with understanding the design and programs of the software rather than any development.

I thank the TCS SSSVV team who interacted with me: Rajesh, Nandkishor & Palash, for their readiness to help me with the installation. I am sure the students will be overjoyed to get involved, in howsoever small a way, with this wonderful software & project.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)

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from: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:20 AM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Dear Sir

Sairam! This is wonderful! Swami is faster in His work than any of us. So He has already helped sort out the problem to this level. Now I guess, the HOD and a couple of you can have a meeting with VC, Registrar and myself and we can discuss this matter. Personally I am not an expert in either CS or IT, so tough to express my views on this.

But as you have stated, the Institute, in principle, has to take a stand on this in terms of its Vision and Focus. Therefore, the next logical step that I see is a meeting of the department (either all faculty or select faculty) and the administration. Is it not?

And congratulations on the successful installation of the Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini software on DMACS server!

Loving Regards
G.S. Srirangarajan
Controller of Examinations
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
(Deemed to be University)
Prasanthi Nilayam - 515 134
Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh
India
www.sssihl.edu.in
controller@sssihl.edu.in
gssrirangarajan@sssihl.edu.in
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:59 AM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam CoE sir,

Thank you for your response.

I am still quite mystified :-) by Swami's ways. After all, He is a Poorna Avatar and so His Maya Shakti is phenomenal. I really do not know Swami's role in 'sorting out the problem to this level'. But I do clearly understand that we are all blessed to be instruments in His mission to reinstate Sathya, Dharma, Shanti & Prema in the world. It is just that sometimes our perceptions on how we should contribute to this wonderful mission of Bhagavan varies. However, our common faith in Swami and Swami's teachings & ideals (though I struggle to match up to His teachings & ideals) allows us to keep such issues under control.

Sir, you wrote,
"But as you have stated, the Institute, in principle, has to take a stand on this in terms of its Vision and Focus. Therefore, the next logical step that I see is a meeting of the department (either all faculty or select faculty) and the administration. Is it not?"

I entirely agree with your views. I think that is the next logical step. I hope you do not think that I am taking too much liberty in emailing you so many things, but I feel I should send you the document I (and another faculty who prefers to be anonymous as of now) had mailed to HOD sir on Jan 7th this year, on exploring ways in which SSSIHL could participate and contribute to the IT component of Bhagavan's mission. I think it will help  administrative authorities to get a better understanding of this CS vs. IT issue. So I have attached the document to this mail.

And, last but not the least, thank you for your encouraging words on successful installation of Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini software on DMACS server.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)

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from: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10 AM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Dear Sir

Sairam! I read your attachment to the mail. Interesting! This gives me much more clarity on the issue.

One query - just out of personal curiosity. How many faculty with 'IT expertise' do we have currently in DMACS? Is it only you or do we have anybody else? Second query - how many faculty members of DMACS are in favour of such a proposal? I am asking these only to understand how the feasibility of the proposal.

Loving Regards
G.S. Srirangarajan
Controller of Examinations
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
(Deemed to be University)
Prasanthi Nilayam - 515 134
Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh
India
www.sssihl.edu.in
controller@sssihl.edu.in
gssrirangarajan@sssihl.edu.in
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:12 AM
subject: Fwd: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam CoE sir,

The last mail I sent you had an older version of the "Need for IT Degree" document.

Please ignore that document and instead refer to the "Updated Need for IT Degree" document attached to this mail.

Sorry about the confusion. [I have the latest document on my home computer. Now I am in institute and picked up an older version from the institute computer that I use. I got the correct version from my email history.]

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)

[Text content of Attachment, Updated Need for IT Degree.docx is given below. The document itself can be viewed here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3Pcd4RD_n8LVUJ5UGJmSFNiNlk]

Need for IT Degree/Program

As of today, the IT component in many of Bhagavan's wonderful organizations like SSSCT, SSSIHMS, SSSST and even SSSIHL administration is quite significant. We have an IT center in the Ashram complex. And now we have the very exciting Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini project that Bhagavan, in His Great Compassion, has gifted to humanity on the occasion of His 85th Birthday.

Can We Give Students the Opportunity to Contribute to IT component of Bhagavan’s Mission?

The students of SSSIHL should be given every opportunity to contribute to the IT component of the work that all these esteemed and blessed organizations do, as part of their (students') academic project work/assignments. Perhaps the work they may do may be 'working prototype level' and may need additional work by mature software professionals. But even such 'working prototype level' software may be valuable contributions. Further the students would get the blessing of being able to humbly and lovingly contribute to the Mission of Bhagavan.

Some students after completion of their academic studies, would like to continue to serve Bhagavan in His organizations and may want to be able to contribute to the IT component of Bhagavan's organizations.

The Web Programming course taught in IInd M.Sc. focuses on imparting an IT type of skill set. It also has a long assignment (mini-project) where students can be given some exposure to real-life or similar to real-life IT work. However even a long assignment/mini-project is for rather limited time.

Ideally if students take up IT projects at M.Tech. project level which is for a significant period of time, they will get a good chance to contribute to IT component of Bhagavan's mission and also learn IT well as they will be working on real-life IT projects.

Computer Science Work

The Department of Mathematics & Computer Science is, in our humble opinion, doing a wonderful job with all its staff doing their utmost to serve Bhagavan lovingly and sincerely. The Computer Science department has to focus on High-Level Computer Science research work. Such work creates the top level Computer Science leaders who provide innovative advances in the computer science field which is translated, typically, by the software industry into new and useful software products for the benefit of society. Such High-Level work gets very well recognized by Computer Science academia as well as top intellectuals from the software industry. The recently held International Workshop on Scientific Computing (IWSC 2010) was a great success with top-notch Computer Science academicians & leaders from the scientific computing related software industry attending the event. In our humble opinion, this has definitely raised the profile of the Department of Mathematics & Computer Science, SSSIHL in the scientific computing community.

But this Computer Science work is quite different from the Information Technology work that is directly needed in Bhagavan's organizations & projects like SSSVV mentioned above.
So, DMACS students, as of now, are not fully equipped to contribute to the IT work in Bhagavan's organizations & projects like SSSVV. Of course, CS research contributions to SSSVV etc. are possible and DMACS faculty and students are actively exploring such possibilities.

Department of Informatics/Department of Information Technology

Perhaps the ideal solution would be to have a separate Department of Informatics/Department of Information Technology which offers M.C.A. kind of degrees/programs. Interested students from departments like Chemistry, BioSciences & Economics could also pursue this degree. Given the fact that the demand for IT jobs are high and that these jobs are well paid, some students of these departments may consider this possibility as a Godsend. B.C.A. students from Muddenahally campus could also pursue this M.C.A.

But creation of a separate department is a very high-level decision and we feel that we can only suggest that it would be very useful. We have to leave the rest to the judgement of higher authorities of the university.

Can M.Tech. (CS) Student Do IT Work Now?

The department does not prevent any M.Tech.(CS) student from taking up such IT projects related to IT component of Bhagavan's mission. Interested students can always opt for such projects.

However, as of today, in our humble opinion, the situation is that our M.Tech. (CS) students want to work on only research-oriented CS projects even though a high percentage of M.Tech. students take up IT jobs (as against system software jobs or CS research work) after passing out. We feel that M.Tech. (CS) students aiming for high-level CS work in their projects is a fantastic achievement of DMACS. After all, DMACS is a Maths & Computer Science department and not an IT department.

So, in our humble opinion, the reality today is that no M.Tech. (CS) student wants to work on IT projects. And so our department is not really able to contribute anything to the IT component of Bhagavan's mission.

Interim Solution 

We have a humble suggestion that can provide some relief till a separate Department of Informatics/Information Technology is set up. We can fix, say, 2 seats of the M.Tech.(CS) program as M.Tech. (CS with specialization in IT) seats. The M.Tech. (CS with specialization in IT) students will have to work on an IT project assigned by the department to them. As students will know about it before they join the degree/program only students interested in IT will take up those seats.

Such students will not lose anything by working on the department assigned project as they will be working on real-life IT projects which will give them fantastic exposure. In fact, this will be like industry project work done by students in other educational institutions, except in our case the industry exposure will be through the IT departments/sections of Bhagavan's organizations like SSSCT, SSSIHMS etc. So M.Tech. (CS with specialization in IT) students will greatly benefit from the project work assigned to them by the department (DMACS).

If introducing M.Tech. (CS with specialization in IT) is a complicated affair due to academic regulations then a possibility is that we can simply offer 2 special M.Tech. (CS) seats with the clear understanding that students will do a ‘utility project’ assigned to them by the department instead of a ‘research project’. Such ‘utility projects’ are implementation oriented involving design and programming. The project could involve systems software implementation (e.g. Diabetic Retinopathy image processing software implemented in C++/Java using image processing libraries) or application software (IT) implementation (e.g. Design & Development of some features of online educational social networking portals like Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini using PHP/mySQL and content management software & portal software like Al Fresco, Joomla & Moodle). A few years ago, many DMACS students have done such ‘utility projects’ as their M.Tech. (CS) project.

Another possibility is having a similar arrangement for M.Sc. by having some seats fixed for M.Sc. (Maths with specialization in IT) where an IT computer project (dissertation) is compulsory and the project work is assigned by the department. But at M.Sc. level the lack of adequate computer Lab time, as of now, raises serious doubts about whether adequate work can be done by the student. If the lack of adequate computer Lab time at M.Sc. level can be addressed in some way, then this would be a very interesting possibility.

Computer Science Research: Theory to Practice

Once we have such degrees/programs in place we could actively explore creating ‘working prototype’ software from wonderful research work already done by the department like the “Diabetic Retinopathy” work. In the past we offered conversion of this research effort into ‘working prototype’ software as an M.Tech. (CS) project to students but no student opted for it!

With M.Tech. (CS with specialization in IT) we can assign such work to M.Tech. students and thereby produce ‘working prototype software’, which can be used in field trials (e.g. Mobile Hospital using Diabetic Retinopathy prototype software). Such achievements may please Bhagavan and raise the ‘Service to Society’ profile of the department. Of course, even such ‘working prototype software’ cannot be expected to be usable on a regular basis. But if the ‘working prototype software’ convincingly proves its ability to serve society, it may not be very difficult to involve/attract industry software companies to (say as part of their Corporate Social Responsibility) convert it to a robust and reliable ‘product’ which can then be used to serve society on a regular basis.

In general, the capability to produce ‘working prototype’ software may enable the department to showcase its ability and aim for significant projects from Department of Science & Technology, Ministry of Human Resources & Development, Department of Information Technology etc.

Skilled Input Possibility for IT departments of Bhagavan’s Organizations

The IT degree/program will equip students with the skill sets that will enable them to contribute to the IT component of Bhagavan's mission even after they finish their degree.

Bhagavan's organizations can consider ideas like a 'one year fellowship' that IT degree students can pray to Bhagavan to be given a chance to take up after their studies as their grateful contribution to Bhagavan’s mission before they take up regular jobs in the 'outside world'. Currently M.Tech. (CS) students are not adequately equipped with the IT skill set and so they may require special training before they can be productively used in such schemes.
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:16 AM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam sir,

Hope you also read the 'Updated Need for IT Degree' document which improves on a couple of sections of the earlier document.

I think, as of now, the 'IT expertise' regularly available faculty is only me. And I do not have the academic qualifications prerequisite to be an 'official' guide!! However Prof. Jayaprakash is very keen on such projects and so he  & I can jointly take up such projects with me playing a role of a technical & programming consultant and JP sir being the sole guide. [The previous HOD who has very solid experience & knowledge of CS & IT academia in India told me that it is common for CS/IT faculty in Indian academia to encourage association of industry experts for projects.] BTW a gentleman called Srivarun Vallampatla, who has IT industry experience (US) of around 11 years, I think, joined us a few weeks ago. However I don't know his exact status with the department.

There are other faculty like Prof. G.V.Prabahakar Rao & Dr. K.S.Sridharan (previous HOD) who have associated with such 'utility' projects in the past. I am sure they will be willing to get associated with me, if needed, for such projects.

Besides me, there are some visiting faculty who are industry professionals who would love to be given a chance to associate with such projects.

Many of our past M.Tech. students are into IT. I think at least some of them would love to be given a chance to offer their love to Bhagavan and their Alma Mater by associating with such projects in a capacity of visiting 'industry expert', which is what some of them have become.

Now I should also mention about the regular faculty (students who are now faculty) who bear the brunt of the workload of DMACS. They all work very hard (far, far harder than me). Being regular academicians there is significant pressure on them to produce research publications. [Publish or Perish, as the saying goes.] 'Service to Society' IT projects will typically not result in research publications. Therefore, naturally, the regular faculty are not keen on getting involved with such 'Service to Society' IT projects.

Some of the regular faculty, even if they cannot get involved with such IT projects, are supportive of the idea of DMACS taking some IT project load, especially Sai institutions IT project load, using people like me & other industry experts.

But some of the regular faculty have a rather genuine concern that this would dilute the 'Computer Science research' focus of the department. I think the current HOD sir is also very firmly of this view. [IMHO, faculty need students to help them in their research. So the fear is that if we have IT 'Service to Society' projects lesser students will get into research projects and so the research work of faculty will suffer.]

These are the impressions that I gathered as I tried to run this idea through people informally. Do take these views with a few pinches of salt :-).

I fully understand the need to see 'feasibility' of this kind of proposal. But perhaps the natural thing to do is to open it up for discussion in the department and get the views, especially of the senior faculty. HOD sir has not done this so far (as far as I know) and I do not clearly know why.

I would like to clearly say that if the department discusses the matter and arrives at a decision to stay away from IT projects, I will gracefully accept the decision. But, it seems to me, the right thing to do is to discuss the matter and not leave it to a single person's view even if that person is the HOD.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)

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from: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:50 AM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Dear Sir

Sairam! Things are becoming more and more clearer now! Whay you write at the end of your note is perhaps the best and the most logical way to proceed further!

"...But perhaps the natural thing to do is to open it up for discussion in the department and get the views, especially of the senior faculty. HOD sir has not done this so far (as far as I know) and I do not clearly know why.

I would like to clearly say that if the department discusses the matter and arrives at a decision to stay away from IT projects, I will gracefully accept the decision. But, it seems to me, the right thing to do is to discuss the matter and not leave it to a single person's view even if that person is the HOD."

You could not have put it in a better way! So I hope the above happens asap.

Loving Regards
G.S. Srirangarajan
Controller of Examinations
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
(Deemed to be University)
Prasanthi Nilayam - 515 134
Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh
India
www.sssihl.edu.in
controller@sssihl.edu.in
gssrirangarajan@sssihl.edu.in
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam CoE sir,

I think we need two things to happen:

a) The Institute, in principle, has to take a stand on CS vs. IT 'Service to Society' projects in terms of its Vision and Focus. This stand should be clearly communicated to all members of DMACS, ideally, including students. People like me can resolve any 'Conflict of Duty' issues in the light of this stand without the need to escalate matters to higher administrative authorities.

b) A department meeting, at least involving senior faculty, should discuss CS vs. IT 'Service to Society' projects in the light of the stand that the Institute takes, and see whether it is feasible/appropriate to take up IT projects. If the institute stand is that it encourages 'Service to Society' IT projects to be taken up to some extent alongside the major focus of Computer Science (and Mathematics) research, then even if the department decides that it is not feasible now, it can initiate some efforts to take it up in the near future. Further the higher authorities in the institute may be able to plan for required resources to make it feasible.

If the department meeting occurs without an institute stand the meeting and its outcome could be influenced by vision which may be more suited to a 'pure academics' environment like an Indian Institute of Science rather than a 'Higher Learning' institute like SSSIHL.

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The above part of the mail is at a higher principle level. I would now like to share some details about how lack of such an institute stand on CS vs. IT has created confusion. For that I think the best example is the Sri Sathya Sai Vidya Vahini (SSSVV) project. I feel it is my duty to share this with you. Please don't view it as a complaint against HOD sir. He works very, very hard and perhaps has got confused about what he should do due to lack of a CS vs. IT institute stand.

We all knew of the interest Bhagavan showed in SSSVV.

I am told that brother Satyajit Salian and others gave a presentation to HOD sir on SSSVV (many months ago). I am told that HOD sir chose to invite only two of his junior research scholars for the meeting. Some of the senior faculty were very surprised that HOD sir did not invite/involve them in this presentation.

I am given to understand that HOD sir did not show much real interest in SSSVV. He may have been looking only at research possibilities and it may not have been in his or his research scholars' area of interest. I don't think he even considered the possibility of an IT angle involvement of DMACS in it.

I would have expected that, given Bhagavan's interest in SSSVV, HOD sir would have sent a mail to the DMACS faculty group informing faculty about what Satyajit had conveyed to him, and invited interested faculty members to get involved with SSSVV. That did not happen. I am given to understand that even senior faculty members were quite shocked at how Satyajit's request for involvement with SSSVV was, perhaps politely, brushed off by HOD sir without taking their (senior faculty) views.

I was given to understand that Satyajit and others were quite put off. After all, they represent the mother organization (SSSCT). I feel I can understand their being put off. It is natural for SSSCT persons to think that the 'computer' department (DMACS) will take some interest in their 'computer' needs. In all probability, SSSCT and other Sai organizations are not aware of the CS vs. IT issue that DMACS has.

I was directly approached by a junior member of the Mandir IT center SSSVV team and not by HOD sir. I jumped at the possibility of giving students a chance to get involved with SSSVV as I felt it fits so well in Bhagavan's vision statement for the institute . Participate in software development part of the 'service to society' SSSVV project, which I describe as a wonderful free 'Sanathana Dharma' cum secular education online social networking portal, in a spirit of love and detachment, and thereby gain spiritual uplift & joy. Note that students academic learning goals would be fully met and they would actually get a chance to work on a TCS developed software!

But I was astonished to see that HOD sir was so, so reluctant about SSSVV. I had to really struggle to ensure that he could not put me off SSSVV.

My understanding of Bhagavan's vision for our institute and how that translates to DMACS is that, whenever possible, I should, without compromising the academic learning goals of the students, enable students by teaching them appropriate programming skills to participate in 'service to society' IT projects (I also teach other courses where there is no 'Service to society' project possibility like a Ist M.Tech. (CS) Multi-threaded programming course) . And this understanding seems to clash with HOD sir's understanding which may be that DMACS should only do 'Computer Science research' projects related to 'Service to Society' themes but should steer clear of any 'Service to Society' IT project.

An institute stand on this CS vs. IT 'Service to Society' projects may have avoided this clash of views.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)

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from: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Dear Sir

Sairam! Now here we have a problem. I think you are putting the cart before the wheel. Sir, frankly, I do not think it will work this way. The Institute has an overall Vision which is very broad. Departments have framed their vision and thrust areas over the years, given the expertise and thought processes of several HODs.

I can tell you for sure, all that you have written to me in your mails are NOT known to either VC or the Registrar. I mean all the matters related to SSSVV project, the IT vs. CS debate etc.

So if this matter is surfacing now, the department has to bring it to the administration in a formal way and seek a policy decision in this regard. So the right sequence in my understanding would be as follows:

The HOD calls for a meeting with all faculty. The members have a debate over this matter and submit the findings to the administration.

Then the department and the administration meet together, understand the whole issue, weigh pros and cons, view it in the light of the larger Vision and Focus of the Institute and only then the Institute can take a stand on this point.

The above is my humble understanding Sir. This is the way it has worked even in the MBA department of which I was a part earlier.

Loving Regards
G.S. Srirangarajan
Controller of Examinations
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
(Deemed to be University)
Prasanthi Nilayam - 515 134
Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh
India
www.sssihl.edu.in
controller@sssihl.edu.in
gssrirangarajan@sssihl.edu.in
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:50 PM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam CoE sir,

I appreciate your frank views.

I think I understand your viewpoint very well. You would like it to come through the regular channel which is through HOD. I think that is SSSIHL culture. By no means am I trying to cast any aspersions on SSSIHL culture, I am just stating my understanding of the same. And I can also understand how logical it would be if DMACS has a meeting on this issue, where it is guided by its understanding of how Bhagavan's larger vision for the university applies to DMACS, and submits its findings to higher authorities, who can then deliberate on it in the light of the larger Vision and Focus of the institute and then arrive at a stand. I fully agree that it is proper and sensible to do it this way.

The problem, as I see it, is that HOD sir feels that a department meeting is not required on this and so chose to remain silent on it even though I sent him the 'Need for IT Degree' document in early Jan this year. However HOD sir may have very valid reasons for ignoring this document, as of now.

I think you have gone out of your way to entertain a mail exchange on this sensitive issue with me. The valuable time that you have spent on this mail exchange has certainly helped me get some insights into your view of the matter. I thank you for the time you have spent on it.

And I think my 'Dharma Sankat' is resolved: If HOD sir does call for a meeting on this CS vs. IT issue and invites me to it, I will be glad to attend and participate in the discussion and accept the decisions arrived at. If a meeting is not called on it, I will fall in line with HOD sir's views. The very fact that I was able to explain the issue in detail alongwith some SSSVV details has gone a long way in unburdening me from this 'conflict of duty'. I feel I have conveyed the issue to one of the key office-bearers in SSSIHL and so have done my duty, and so am unburdened. [I hope, sir, in the process, I have not transferred any burden to you or caused you any headache :-)] Now I just have to fall in line with the proposed solution.

Please do not think I am disappointed. I come from a very, very different software industry culture where, under exceptional circumstances, escalation of issues to alternative hierarchy was not only acceptable but expected. So I felt it is my duty to check what is the right thing to do to resolve this 'conflict of views' in SSSIHL culture.

Once again, sir, thank you for your valuable time.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)
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from: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Dear Sir

Sairam! I really do not know whether the interactions on email have helped you or not. But as you said, this has been the typical culture at SSSIHL.

However, as you have mentioned, "escalation of issues to alternative hierarchy is not only acceptable but expected" elsewhere in a typical corporate culture; here too many a times this has worked; but on issues that the administration considers as "burning issues". In this case, I understand that this issue is a major one for you, but how do we make it "top of the priority list" for the VC is the question.

Well, to close our thread, let me assure you that I will discuss this matter with the Registrar and VC in an appropriate forum, to the best I can. In fact, I have already spoken to the Registrar giving him a glimpse into the issue. He was very busy but was happy that I am looking into it. I will also open this discussion with your HOD when I meet him next, to understand his view point and as to why he is not open to discuss this matter in a department meeting and welcome views of all.

Hope the above will be of some help.

At a very personal level, I have great regard for you Sir. If you do not mind my indulgence, one aspect about you which has struck me most is the "ever fresh smile" that you have on your face all the time. Now, knowing your health condition, this aspect assumes all the more significance.

Loving Regards
G.S. Srirangarajan
Controller of Examinations
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
(Deemed to be University)
Prasanthi Nilayam - 515 134
Anantapur District, Andhra Pradesh
India
www.sssihl.edu.in
controller@sssihl.edu.in
gssrirangarajan@sssihl.edu.in
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from: Ravi Iyer <raviiyer@sssihl.edu.in>
to: Srinivas Srirangarajan <controller@sssihl.edu.in>
date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:12 PM
subject: Re: Had a friendly chat with HOD sir today on CS vs. IT issue

Sairam CoE sir,

Thank you so much for your understanding and genuine efforts to try to resolve the issue.

A small clarification sir, the issue is no longer a 'burning issue' for me. To approach higher authorities bypassing HOD sir was a very, very difficult decision for me as I was worried that it may hurt HOD sir. So far, by Bhagavan's Grace, I think he has taken it well (when I orally told him that I have approached Registrar and Controller sirs). I pray that our relationship will still be intact. It was a 'burning issue' till I got a chance to unburden it to you :-). Now, really I simply have to follow instructions/accept decisions. So, I am free, no matter what be the decision (I am quite a wierd [Ravi-2016: should be weird end-Ravi-2016] guy :-)).

I think it will be nice if you are able to share this issue (especially the 'Updated Need for IT Degree' document) at an appropriate time with Registrar & Vice-Chancellor sirs. It need not be 'top priority' in any way, as far as I am concerned, as I repeat that I am free of the burden now. But, IMHO, as the document has some interesting possibilities of SSSIHL participation in IT part of Bhagavan's mission, it may be useful if they get a chance to read it, even if they do not agree with the views.

You, sir, have been so helpful and patient in listening to my views. Thanks again.

Thanks for the kind words about the smile :-).

I must say that a senior teacher who has served here for decades, mentioned the other day that you were Swami's child/boy. I think that was very high appreciation and, IMHO, very apt appreciation for your sterling character, kindness and readiness to help. If you will permit me to say, I pray to Bhagavan to shower His Grace on you.

Regards

Ravi Iyer
Software Consultant
Visiting Faculty
Department of Mathematics & Computer Science (DMACS)
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL)
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One should not tar everybody as ungrateful and treacherous due to actions of a few

Given below are my comments in a Facebook post which said, "The person who tries to keep everyone happy and always cares for everyone is always the most lonely person. Strange but true", Original source: Lessons Learned in Life Inc., https://www.facebook.com/lessonslearnedinlife/photos/a.109979089073806.15189.109759299095785/1396462460425456/.

I (Ravi) wrote:
Interesting view! But I am not sure if it is true, in general. ... I think the person who does good to others does receive the gratitude, at least to some extent, from the people whom he/she did good to. And I think that would keep the person feeling good in his/her heart and not lonely, even if physically the person may not have somebody else next to him/her.
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In response to a comment about some persons facing not only ingratitude but betrayal from those to whom they did good, leading to their health suffering and later untimely death, I (Ravi) responded (slightly edited):
Sairam --snip--,

I am sorry to hear about what happened to your parents related to ingratitude of some persons.

I too faced ingratitude from high-ranking Sai university administrators (former vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad, former HOD of my dept. Chandrasekaran then and current Registrar Naren Ramji, and then Director of Prasanthi Nilayam campus, Sudhir Bhaskar) even though I provided FREE SERVICE to Sai university from Jan. 2003 to March 2012!!! I view them now as Teacher Drohi Paapis (sinners) and ungrateful wretches who will certainly face the negative karmic consequences of their teacher droham paapi actions.

All that led to severe mental trauma for me which worsened my already poor health in a very traumatic year or so for me after Swami's Mahasamadhi (from around July 2011 to June 2012). NOT A SINGLE PERSON in the Sai university where I gave FREE SERVICE for over nine years, supported me!!!

Initially I felt very bad about it and was angry towards all of the people in the Sai university. Later, I realized that it was FEAR of power crazy PSYCHOS like Sashidhara Prasad, Naren Ramji and Chandrasekaran, that led to my Sai university colleagues not DARING to even privately support me. They were afraid of losing their job!!! That's how the system was (and probably still is) in the Sai university! And that is how the Sai university got HIJACKED by TRAITORS Narasimhamurthy and Sashidhara Prasad, with the support of QUISLINGS (supporters of TRAITORS) like Sudhir Bhaskar and Naren Ramji, and possibly Chandrasekaran as well, from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014!!! It is these TRAITORS and QUISLINGS who FORCED out the HERO of the Sai university fighting against the HIJACK then, Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju, by tricking him into resigning from SSSIHL which was promptly accepted by Teacher Drohi Paapi, Naren Ramji, via a letter sent by him to Prof Anilkumar Kamaraju.

When I carefully analyzed the situation I found that I could hold responsible/guilty, only the above mentioned four administrators of the Sai university for the ungrateful and teacher-drohi actions against me. Others simply stayed silent but they did not contribute, as far as I know. to those actions against me. So I realized that I should not be angry with the Sai university as a whole.

I view my horrible trauma in the Sai university to be in a small way similar to Draupadi's humiliation in the Kaurava court. It was Duryodhana and Dushasana who were directly involved in that humiliation. Bheeshma and Dronacharya stayed silent but did not participate actively in that humiliation of Draupadi. So while their staying silent at that time was a BLOT on their careers, one cannot say Bheeshma and Dronacharya were SINNERS against Draupadi, like Duryodhana and Dushasana.

So like in my case where I can clearly point Asathya and Adharma sinful actions against me, to Sashidhara Prasad, Naren Ramji, Chandrasekaran and Sudhir Bhaskar, but not the entire Sai university staff, perhaps in your parents case too, there may have been a few ungrateful and treacherous people but not all to whom your parents have done good. The danger lies in tarring everybody as ungrateful and treacherous when it is only a few that may have been ungrateful and treacherous, as happened in my case.

Jai Sairam!

Sunday, October 16, 2016

Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba typically did not approve of grown women dancing in front of him

Last updated on 18th Oct. 2016

Given below is a comment exchange from Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/terry.reiskennedy/posts/10211000882116813:

[IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION: The attached pic shows an invitation card to an event in Muddenhalli on Oct. 11th 2016 (5 days ago). The chief guest mentioned, Hon'ble Health and Family Welfare minister of Karnataka, Shri Ramesh Kumar, DID NOT ATTEND the function. So readers should NOT MISUNDERSTAND the pic of the invitation card shown in this post as an indication of Shri Ramesh Kumar having attended the event. In fact, we are told by his daughter, Smt. Shubha Ramesh Kumar, (see comments on my associated Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1804579643091938) that Shri Ramesh Kumar DID NOT ATTEND the event but was in Prasanthi Nilayam/Puttaparthi that whole day! END-IMPORTANT-CLARIFICATION]

Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote (Shubha was OK with sharing on my post; slightly edited):
So this gentleman was supposedly invited for the Vijaya dashami celebration at Mdh [Ravi: Please see pic below]. He choose to spend the day in puttaparthy is a different story, what I am more offended by is they had some grown woman scheduled to dance. I don't remember Swami ever doing that.


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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Shubha Ramesh Kumar, I think Dana Gillespie swaying while singing in front of Bhagavan was more of an exception than the rule. Though I would not sit through all cultural programs in Prasanthi Nilayam, the impression I had was that Swami typically would not approve of programs having grown women dancing in front of him.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote (Clive was OK with sharing his comments on this post; slightly edited):
Because of his students .. Swami was very careful what he exposed them to.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Clive Raj Valydon, very well said.
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I had put up the above contents as a separate Facebook post here: https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1804579643091938. Given below are some comment exchanges from it:

Vr Ganti wrote (edited): Sai Ram Shubha Garu - I see.that these Mhalli guys print the names of Cheif Guest without his concurrence is it. That is too bad on thier part. I have a few friends in Mhalli Camp and I will enquire or may be I will ask them to apologize appropriately, if you don't mind.

I am really unable to understand why did Ravi Iyer Garu, put up that invitation card on his wall. Ravi Garu is very careful and will never make any unnecessary comment and also he will never hurt others. Why did he do this? There must be a good reason for him to do what he did? I hope he will not mind clarifying if not publicly, at least privately.
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Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote (edited):
In defense of Ravi Ravi S. Iyer he asked my permission and then put it up. Also he put it up because of the discussion which was on going in another thread about code of conduct and why someone grown up was dancing in front of swami. If that was ok? It had nothing to do about the Chief guest. --snip--
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir, hope sister Shubha Ramesh Kumar's response answers the question you directed at me.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I would like to state that the discussion about grown up women dancing, was dancing in front of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's physical form and whether that would meet his approval.

It was NOT about grown up women dancing per se. I do watch dances of grown up women, either traditional Hindu dances which typically depict events in Hindu scripture (which is what perhaps the dance progam in Muddenahalli would have been about), as well as other dances too :-) . So I and I think most of the others commenting on this post are not saying that grown up women should not dance anywhere!!! It is just that in our view, grown up women dancing for a Sathya Sai devotional event was NOT something that typically happened in front of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's physical form.
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User Mailsai Box wrote:
Ravi sir.. You have become a feast for the same person who never agrees with anyone who speaks truth once again as usual I guess.. Have a nice time then.. Sairam.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Mailsai Box, I don't agree with you. It is difficult to chat with an anonymous person as anonymous persons are not accountable for their comments. But anyway ... Mr. Vr Ganti raised questions which both Shubha Ramesh Kumar and I have answered. That clarifies the situation. It is Mr. Vr Ganti who had the ***GUTS*** and perseverance to expose the HIJACK of SSSIHL (Sai university) from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 by Sashidhara Prasad and Narasimhamurthy, along with some QUISLINGS of the Sai university who forced the ONLY Sai university HERO who FOUGHT the HIJACK then, Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju, to resign from the Sai university (in end 2011 or in 2012). It was an act of great treachery by these QUISLINGS in the Sai university who are still holding important positions of power in the Sai university and PN ashram but will surely face the bad karmic effects of the Teacher-Droham Paapam and the TREACHERY they have done. I will never forget Vr Ganti sir's great SATHYA & DHARMA efforts sometime in 2015 continuing on in 2016, to EXPOSE this very TRAGIC Sai university HIJACK from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014 by MDH group which, in my considered opinion, played a vital role in enabling Muddenahalli group to grow so much.
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Mailsai Box wrote:
Good.. Then Why to deny when you're happy with it .. Thanks for taking trouble to reply.. Sairam
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Why to deny what???
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Mailsai Box wrote:
Whatever you think or whatever you say.. G'day.. Sairam.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ok (noted your response as an indication of wanting to end the conversation). Mailsai Box. Sairam!
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Mailsai Box wrote:
Thanks.. Sorry to say but it's true that You try to be tooo good to everyone.. That's the problem.. That's why I said why to deny as I didn't want to hurt your feelings.. Hope it is settled now.. let me end it here with this.. Sairam.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Oh! Mailsai Box, I try to do my duty to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba in gratitude for all the spiritual guidance he has given me. I go by my inner conscience and do what I consider is the right thing to do and what I think Bhagavan will approve of. That is what matters to me. Not whether I am trying to be tooo good to everyone. Actually, I have been quite harshly critical of some people - I don't want to name them. They surely will not say that I am being good to them. BTW I have been very critical PUBLICLY of Mr. Vr Ganti too at times when I felt it appropriate. And Mr. Vr Ganti has been critical of me at times. So we are able to tolerate each other's criticisms. And that is quite normal for useful discussions on contentious topics.
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Mailsai Box wrote:
Sairam Sir.. Can I make a request for the list of entire staff of administrative section and also teaching & non teaching in your next post to collect some important information from the dept. of revenue in parthi if possible .. Pls.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Oh No! That is not something that I can provide. Further, what I would simply like to be shared with Sathya Sai fraternity is the reality of what happened in SSSIHL in the MDH HIJACK period from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014. Once that truth is known, then a proper re-orientation of SSSIHL can be done. So far, that truth has been pushed under the carpet and SSSIHL is lagging behind very badly in terms of the spiritual vision of Bhagavan. It comes across more as a regular deemed university with some cultural programs rather than the DIVINE Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara university that Bhagavan had envisioned. ... So my interest in SSSIHL is limited to that. Beyond that I want to stay away from SSSIHL. Thanks. Jai Sairam!
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Mailsai Box wrote:
No problem.. made all arrangements to get the list through legal process to save the same Sathya Sai fraternity as you mentioned.. Swamy shows many ways to solve this too.. and they can't be considered above law too to exclude those whoever are mingled in this conspiracy just because they are working there .. So no problem at all..
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Mailsai Box wrote:
Thank you.. Sairam.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you Mailsai Box for your efforts to restore Sathya & Dharma in the Sai university (SSSIHL). Such restoration of Sathya & Dharma in the Sai university efforts (Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara is the motto given to the university by revered founder-chancellor Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba), in my considered view, can be done ONLY AFTER the Asathya and Adharma that happened in the top echelons of Sai university from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 under the TRAITOR vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad and his mentor former warden, B.N. Narasimhamurthy, is fully shared with Sathya Sai fraternity.

We should not look for revenge against those (QUISLINGS) that CONSPIRED with TRAITOR Sashidhara Prasad in the Sai university top echelons then. But we cannot act as if nothing happened!!! Those who did the Teacher-Droham paapam actions (Harmful and sinful actions against teacher) in the top Sai university echelons to FORCE OUT Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju, the ONLY HERO of SSSIHL fighting against the TRAITORS Sashidara Prasad and Narasimhamurthy, MUST CONFESS PUBLICLY for the Asathya and Adharma actions they did perhaps under the orders of Sashidhara Prasad and Narasimhamurthy, and seek forgiveness from the Sathya Sai fraternity and from Bhagavan for the PAAPAM (SINS) they committed against the Sai university, founded by Shiva-Shakti Swarupa, Kali Yuga Avatar, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, to re-inforce Sathya, Dharma, Shanti and Prema in the world.

Public confession by those in power in the Sai university top echelons (Registrar, Controller of Examinations, Directors of campuses, Hostel wardens, Heads of depts.) about the Asathya and Adharma that happened in SSSIHL from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014, will go a long way to healing the Sai university and bringing it back on the path of Sathya and Dharma, in my view.

As a contribution from me towards EXPOSURE of Asathya & Adharma in the Sai university under former vice-chancellor and Teacher-Drohi Sashidhara Prasad, former HOD of my department then, Teacher-Drohi Chandrasekaran, then and current registrar, Teacher-Drohi Naren Ramji, and then Director of Prasanthi Nilayam campus Teacher-Drohi Sudhir Bhaskar, I have put up a detailed blog post, My May 2012 service record & record tampering related correspondence with Sai university (SSSIHL) administrators, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/11/my-may-2012-service-record-record.html, first posted on Nov. 13th 2015 and last updated on 2nd Sept. 2016.

Jai Sairam! Satyannaasti Paro Dharmaha!
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Mailsai Box wrote:
No question of revenge arises here as we are not their enemies.. But no wonder if they consider us as their enemies just because we are questioning them.. I know who are really living there for Swamy and who are not.. That is what I am going to bring out the reality behind their answer Sairam for every mischief.. Really one must appreciate how nicely they get United and start defending themselves whenever they are questioned by the authorities of SSSCT.. even their wives & relatives who are placed beautifully in security section.. they carry mobiles.. Snacks.. Whatever they feel like.. No checking, no such restrictions are made for them.. Only they are empowered to get the first chance to go right in front of Swamy (as I never see him in Samadhi form I don't intend to mention it.. Sorry) and make prasnam..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Noted your responses Mailsai Box. Thanks. All the best for your efforts. I pray to Bhagavan to shower His Grace on you for these efforts to reinforce Sathya & Dharma in the Sai university and in Prasanthi Nilayam at large. Jai Sairam!
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Terry Reis Kennedy put up a Facebook post, DANCING FOR GOD, https://www.facebook.com/terry.reiskennedy/posts/10211034296512152, in response to matter covered partially in this post.

She wrote in the post, 'I have a framed photo of myself with 15 other foreign ladies and Swami that was taken after a very long performance by foreign women, mostly Germans. It was for Swami's First Ladies Day in 1995 and it was in the Purnachandra Hall. In the evening after Bhajans Swami Himself announced the evening program and He invited the devotees in the mandir to come to the dance saying, "These lady dancers were Gopikas in their past lives..."'. She also talked about "dancing seva" she had done at 'hospitals, old-age homes, homes for the disabled, and places called "day care centers" for the handicapped and enfeebled', two years prior to she moved to Puttaparthi on a permanant basis. She felt that this dancing seva was validated by Bhagavan by allowing her, a "stand-in" dancer, to replace a dancer who had twisted her ankle, to perform in the dance event before Bhagavan.

I (Ravi) commented on the above post as follows:
Terry Reis Kennedy, Interesting experience you had with Swami. I did not know of this.

As I understand it, what sister Shubha Ramesh Kumar and I were saying is that we did not know of Swami in physical form approving of grown women dancing in front of him. What you have shared is something I did not know and perhaps Shubha also did not know.

However, I have to say that in my regular stay in Puttaparthi since Oct. 2002 with regular visits to Sai Kulwanth Hall for Swami darshan (though I would not sit through all the programs), I do not recall seeing any program having grown women dancing in front of Swami (physical form). Terry, do you recall any such dance program with grown women done in front of Swami from Oct. 2002 onwards?

Perhaps Swami decided to stop encouraging such dance programs done publicly in front of his physical form, as the one you mentioned (in 1995), in later years.

Now, mind you, I am NOT saying that Swami would disapprove of all dance programs everywhere!!! I think Swami had to be concerned about a lot of factors when it came to what programs were held in His physical form presence. So even if he did not encourage grown up women dancing in front of his physical form in later years (after Oct. 2002 as per my experience and to the best of my knowledge), he may have been very much for grown up women who are interested in dancing, expressing artistically, their love & devotion to God through dances dedicated to God, in other locations where He surely would be present in formless aspect.

So it is great to know that you served Swami through dance (dancing Seva). Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Terry Reis Kennedy responded to above comment (partial extract of comment), "Actually, your post made me realize I had NOT seen a female adult dance performance before our Ladies Day Dance, or after it. It makes my experience even more special and for the other women too."