Sunday, October 16, 2016

Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba typically did not approve of grown women dancing in front of him

Last updated on 18th Oct. 2016

Given below is a comment exchange from Facebook post,

[IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION: The attached pic shows an invitation card to an event in Muddenhalli on Oct. 11th 2016 (5 days ago). The chief guest mentioned, Hon'ble Health and Family Welfare minister of Karnataka, Shri Ramesh Kumar, DID NOT ATTEND the function. So readers should NOT MISUNDERSTAND the pic of the invitation card shown in this post as an indication of Shri Ramesh Kumar having attended the event. In fact, we are told by his daughter, Smt. Shubha Ramesh Kumar, (see comments on my associated Facebook post, that Shri Ramesh Kumar DID NOT ATTEND the event but was in Prasanthi Nilayam/Puttaparthi that whole day! END-IMPORTANT-CLARIFICATION]

Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote (Shubha was OK with sharing on my post; slightly edited):
So this gentleman was supposedly invited for the Vijaya dashami celebration at Mdh [Ravi: Please see pic below]. He choose to spend the day in puttaparthy is a different story, what I am more offended by is they had some grown woman scheduled to dance. I don't remember Swami ever doing that.


Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Shubha Ramesh Kumar, I think Dana Gillespie swaying while singing in front of Bhagavan was more of an exception than the rule. Though I would not sit through all cultural programs in Prasanthi Nilayam, the impression I had was that Swami typically would not approve of programs having grown women dancing in front of him.

Clive Raj Valydon wrote (Clive was OK with sharing his comments on this post; slightly edited):
Because of his students .. Swami was very careful what he exposed them to.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Clive Raj Valydon, very well said.

I had put up the above contents as a separate Facebook post here: Given below are some comment exchanges from it:

Vr Ganti wrote (edited): Sai Ram Shubha Garu - I see.that these Mhalli guys print the names of Cheif Guest without his concurrence is it. That is too bad on thier part. I have a few friends in Mhalli Camp and I will enquire or may be I will ask them to apologize appropriately, if you don't mind.

I am really unable to understand why did Ravi Iyer Garu, put up that invitation card on his wall. Ravi Garu is very careful and will never make any unnecessary comment and also he will never hurt others. Why did he do this? There must be a good reason for him to do what he did? I hope he will not mind clarifying if not publicly, at least privately.

Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote (edited):
In defense of Ravi Ravi S. Iyer he asked my permission and then put it up. Also he put it up because of the discussion which was on going in another thread about code of conduct and why someone grown up was dancing in front of swami. If that was ok? It had nothing to do about the Chief guest. --snip--

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir, hope sister Shubha Ramesh Kumar's response answers the question you directed at me.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I would like to state that the discussion about grown up women dancing, was dancing in front of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's physical form and whether that would meet his approval.

It was NOT about grown up women dancing per se. I do watch dances of grown up women, either traditional Hindu dances which typically depict events in Hindu scripture (which is what perhaps the dance progam in Muddenahalli would have been about), as well as other dances too :-) . So I and I think most of the others commenting on this post are not saying that grown up women should not dance anywhere!!! It is just that in our view, grown up women dancing for a Sathya Sai devotional event was NOT something that typically happened in front of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's physical form.

User Mailsai Box wrote:
Ravi sir.. You have become a feast for the same person who never agrees with anyone who speaks truth once again as usual I guess.. Have a nice time then.. Sairam.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Mailsai Box, I don't agree with you. It is difficult to chat with an anonymous person as anonymous persons are not accountable for their comments. But anyway ... Mr. Vr Ganti raised questions which both Shubha Ramesh Kumar and I have answered. That clarifies the situation. It is Mr. Vr Ganti who had the ***GUTS*** and perseverance to expose the HIJACK of SSSIHL (Sai university) from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 by Sashidhara Prasad and Narasimhamurthy, along with some QUISLINGS of the Sai university who forced the ONLY Sai university HERO who FOUGHT the HIJACK then, Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju, to resign from the Sai university (in end 2011 or in 2012). It was an act of great treachery by these QUISLINGS in the Sai university who are still holding important positions of power in the Sai university and PN ashram but will surely face the bad karmic effects of the Teacher-Droham Paapam and the TREACHERY they have done. I will never forget Vr Ganti sir's great SATHYA & DHARMA efforts sometime in 2015 continuing on in 2016, to EXPOSE this very TRAGIC Sai university HIJACK from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014 by MDH group which, in my considered opinion, played a vital role in enabling Muddenahalli group to grow so much.

Mailsai Box wrote:
Good.. Then Why to deny when you're happy with it .. Thanks for taking trouble to reply.. Sairam

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Why to deny what???

Mailsai Box wrote:
Whatever you think or whatever you say.. G'day.. Sairam.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ok (noted your response as an indication of wanting to end the conversation). Mailsai Box. Sairam!

Mailsai Box wrote:
Thanks.. Sorry to say but it's true that You try to be tooo good to everyone.. That's the problem.. That's why I said why to deny as I didn't want to hurt your feelings.. Hope it is settled now.. let me end it here with this.. Sairam.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Oh! Mailsai Box, I try to do my duty to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba in gratitude for all the spiritual guidance he has given me. I go by my inner conscience and do what I consider is the right thing to do and what I think Bhagavan will approve of. That is what matters to me. Not whether I am trying to be tooo good to everyone. Actually, I have been quite harshly critical of some people - I don't want to name them. They surely will not say that I am being good to them. BTW I have been very critical PUBLICLY of Mr. Vr Ganti too at times when I felt it appropriate. And Mr. Vr Ganti has been critical of me at times. So we are able to tolerate each other's criticisms. And that is quite normal for useful discussions on contentious topics.

Mailsai Box wrote:
Sairam Sir.. Can I make a request for the list of entire staff of administrative section and also teaching & non teaching in your next post to collect some important information from the dept. of revenue in parthi if possible .. Pls.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Oh No! That is not something that I can provide. Further, what I would simply like to be shared with Sathya Sai fraternity is the reality of what happened in SSSIHL in the MDH HIJACK period from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014. Once that truth is known, then a proper re-orientation of SSSIHL can be done. So far, that truth has been pushed under the carpet and SSSIHL is lagging behind very badly in terms of the spiritual vision of Bhagavan. It comes across more as a regular deemed university with some cultural programs rather than the DIVINE Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara university that Bhagavan had envisioned. ... So my interest in SSSIHL is limited to that. Beyond that I want to stay away from SSSIHL. Thanks. Jai Sairam!

Mailsai Box wrote:
No problem.. made all arrangements to get the list through legal process to save the same Sathya Sai fraternity as you mentioned.. Swamy shows many ways to solve this too.. and they can't be considered above law too to exclude those whoever are mingled in this conspiracy just because they are working there .. So no problem at all..

Mailsai Box wrote:
Thank you.. Sairam.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you Mailsai Box for your efforts to restore Sathya & Dharma in the Sai university (SSSIHL). Such restoration of Sathya & Dharma in the Sai university efforts (Sathyam Vada Dharmam Chara is the motto given to the university by revered founder-chancellor Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba), in my considered view, can be done ONLY AFTER the Asathya and Adharma that happened in the top echelons of Sai university from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 under the TRAITOR vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad and his mentor former warden, B.N. Narasimhamurthy, is fully shared with Sathya Sai fraternity.

We should not look for revenge against those (QUISLINGS) that CONSPIRED with TRAITOR Sashidhara Prasad in the Sai university top echelons then. But we cannot act as if nothing happened!!! Those who did the Teacher-Droham paapam actions (Harmful and sinful actions against teacher) in the top Sai university echelons to FORCE OUT Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju, the ONLY HERO of SSSIHL fighting against the TRAITORS Sashidara Prasad and Narasimhamurthy, MUST CONFESS PUBLICLY for the Asathya and Adharma actions they did perhaps under the orders of Sashidhara Prasad and Narasimhamurthy, and seek forgiveness from the Sathya Sai fraternity and from Bhagavan for the PAAPAM (SINS) they committed against the Sai university, founded by Shiva-Shakti Swarupa, Kali Yuga Avatar, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, to re-inforce Sathya, Dharma, Shanti and Prema in the world.

Public confession by those in power in the Sai university top echelons (Registrar, Controller of Examinations, Directors of campuses, Hostel wardens, Heads of depts.) about the Asathya and Adharma that happened in SSSIHL from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014, will go a long way to healing the Sai university and bringing it back on the path of Sathya and Dharma, in my view.

As a contribution from me towards EXPOSURE of Asathya & Adharma in the Sai university under former vice-chancellor and Teacher-Drohi Sashidhara Prasad, former HOD of my department then, Teacher-Drohi Chandrasekaran, then and current registrar, Teacher-Drohi Naren Ramji, and then Director of Prasanthi Nilayam campus Teacher-Drohi Sudhir Bhaskar, I have put up a detailed blog post, My May 2012 service record & record tampering related correspondence with Sai university (SSSIHL) administrators,, first posted on Nov. 13th 2015 and last updated on 2nd Sept. 2016.

Jai Sairam! Satyannaasti Paro Dharmaha!

Mailsai Box wrote:
No question of revenge arises here as we are not their enemies.. But no wonder if they consider us as their enemies just because we are questioning them.. I know who are really living there for Swamy and who are not.. That is what I am going to bring out the reality behind their answer Sairam for every mischief.. Really one must appreciate how nicely they get United and start defending themselves whenever they are questioned by the authorities of SSSCT.. even their wives & relatives who are placed beautifully in security section.. they carry mobiles.. Snacks.. Whatever they feel like.. No checking, no such restrictions are made for them.. Only they are empowered to get the first chance to go right in front of Swamy (as I never see him in Samadhi form I don't intend to mention it.. Sorry) and make prasnam..

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Noted your responses Mailsai Box. Thanks. All the best for your efforts. I pray to Bhagavan to shower His Grace on you for these efforts to reinforce Sathya & Dharma in the Sai university and in Prasanthi Nilayam at large. Jai Sairam!

Terry Reis Kennedy put up a Facebook post, DANCING FOR GOD,, in response to matter covered partially in this post.

She wrote in the post, 'I have a framed photo of myself with 15 other foreign ladies and Swami that was taken after a very long performance by foreign women, mostly Germans. It was for Swami's First Ladies Day in 1995 and it was in the Purnachandra Hall. In the evening after Bhajans Swami Himself announced the evening program and He invited the devotees in the mandir to come to the dance saying, "These lady dancers were Gopikas in their past lives..."'. She also talked about "dancing seva" she had done at 'hospitals, old-age homes, homes for the disabled, and places called "day care centers" for the handicapped and enfeebled', two years prior to she moved to Puttaparthi on a permanant basis. She felt that this dancing seva was validated by Bhagavan by allowing her, a "stand-in" dancer, to replace a dancer who had twisted her ankle, to perform in the dance event before Bhagavan.

I (Ravi) commented on the above post as follows:
Terry Reis Kennedy, Interesting experience you had with Swami. I did not know of this.

As I understand it, what sister Shubha Ramesh Kumar and I were saying is that we did not know of Swami in physical form approving of grown women dancing in front of him. What you have shared is something I did not know and perhaps Shubha also did not know.

However, I have to say that in my regular stay in Puttaparthi since Oct. 2002 with regular visits to Sai Kulwanth Hall for Swami darshan (though I would not sit through all the programs), I do not recall seeing any program having grown women dancing in front of Swami (physical form). Terry, do you recall any such dance program with grown women done in front of Swami from Oct. 2002 onwards?

Perhaps Swami decided to stop encouraging such dance programs done publicly in front of his physical form, as the one you mentioned (in 1995), in later years.

Now, mind you, I am NOT saying that Swami would disapprove of all dance programs everywhere!!! I think Swami had to be concerned about a lot of factors when it came to what programs were held in His physical form presence. So even if he did not encourage grown up women dancing in front of his physical form in later years (after Oct. 2002 as per my experience and to the best of my knowledge), he may have been very much for grown up women who are interested in dancing, expressing artistically, their love & devotion to God through dances dedicated to God, in other locations where He surely would be present in formless aspect.

So it is great to know that you served Swami through dance (dancing Seva). Thanks for sharing it with us.

Terry Reis Kennedy responded to above comment (partial extract of comment), "Actually, your post made me realize I had NOT seen a female adult dance performance before our Ladies Day Dance, or after it. It makes my experience even more special and for the other women too."

Friday, October 14, 2016

Yad Bhaavam Tad Bhavathi; As are the feelings, so are the results

I have given below a comment I made in response to a reference to me in bro. Clive Raj Valydon's post,

Well, bro Clive Raj Valydon, I go by the Sanathana Dharma teachings which Swami re-emphasised. In this case I think the appropriate teaching is: "Yad Bhaavam Tad Bhavathi". Here is an extract from Swami's 2008 New Year discourse,,

The Bhagavad Gita declares, “Mamaivamso Jivaloke Jivabhuta Sanathana” (the eternal Atma in all beings is a part of My Being). I am in you, with you, around you, above you, below you. There is no place in this Universe where God is not present. Similarly, there is no name or object that does not belong to Him. The Upanishads proclaim the same truth in the declarations, “Easwara Sarva Bhutanam” (God is the Indweller of all beings) and “Isavasyam Idam Sarvam” (the entire universe is permeated by God). Unable to realise this truth, a human being laments, “wherever I see, I find only human beings; I am not able to find God”. “Yad Bhavam Tad Bhavathi” (as the feelings, so are the results).

Suppose you wear a particular dress and stand before a mirror. You will find the same reflection in the mirror. Similarly, your own thoughts and feelings reflect in the outside world. Everything is reaction, reflection, and resound. Your own life style is reflected in the outside world. Whatever you speak comes back to you as a reply. But people think that it is someone else who is speaking these words. This is the truth.
--- end Sathya Sai discourse extract ---

As are the feelings, so are the results!

However, one should not misunderstand or trivialize such teachings to imagine that one has to just wish or feel strongly, and, hey presto, the result will materialize immediately. Perhaps some spiritual masters can do that. But for most of us (including me, surely), it is more of a long term playing out of our sincere and deep feelings & prayers (Yad Bhaavam) mixed with karmic effects of previous actions, that play a big role in the results of our future (Tad Bhavathi).

About a person A being able to plant a thought into another person B's mind and thereby significantly affect the future of that person B: What I have experienced in my life is that it is a mix of what I am seeking (interested in) and what somebody else suggests to me, that decides how it may work out in future. If they are complementary there is a greater possiblity of it working out. Of course I view Swami (Sathya Sai) as Shiva-Shakti Swarupa and Kali Yuga Avatar, and so I place enormous importance to Swami's words (understood in the appropriate context) and even if I may not be particularly interested in something, Swami's words may influence me to adopt interest in it.

In general though, I think that some strong willed people are able to strongly influence weak minded/weak willed people, by a kind of psychological dominance over them.

I also think that spiritual mediums in the name of Sathya Sai flourish even though Sathya Sai publicly and unambiguously said that he does not speak through mediums (or communicators), because there are many Sathya Sai devotees who desperately miss their interaction with physical form Swami. Such persons get some kind of relief, I guess, when they interact with a medium claiming to interact with Sathya Sai, on their behalf.

But I think it is the free will and free choice of such Sathya Sai devotees to go to such mediums. I do not want to be critical of them or interfere in that free will and free choice of theirs with one exception. The exception is the conflict of interest case for office bearers in official Sathya Sai orgn. or employees/staff in official Sathya Sai institutions who visit and have belief in the Muddenahalli communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu - in this exception case, I am publicly critical of such conflict of interest.

Friday, October 7, 2016

Sai devotees truthfully and lovingly sharing their experiences with Bhagavan is vital service to Sai mission

In a facebook post of bro. Clive Raj Valydon, titled, "Should we share our personal experiences with bhagawan or not"?,, I made the following comment:

Well said, bro. Clive Raj Valydon. My view is that, barring information that could hurt other individuals or some things which some may not want to share as it is very personal, Sai devotees sharing their experiences with Bhagavan in a truthful and loving towards Bhagavan way, is vital, vital service to the Sathya Sai mission and current and future Sathya Sai devotees.

We have very limited experience accounts related to Shirdi Sai Baba physical form. I am now reading a book on Shirdi Sai Baba by Antonio Rigopoulus, The Life and Teachings of Sai Baba of Shirdi (first Indian edition, 1993). Rigopoulus quotes words of Shirdi Sai Baba extensively from the book, Sri Sai Baba's Charters and Sayings by B.V. Narasimhaswami (first edition 1939). It is mentioned that Shirdi Sai Baba said such words to well known devotees like Nanasaheb Chandorkar.

An example of it from page 34 of the pdf version of the book, (1999 edition),

N G Chandorkar: Pray, tell us about Suddha Chaitanya, what it is.

Baba: That is the origin, the essence, the foundation and the permeator of the entire universe, sentient and insentient, as also the end of it. The source is Suddha Chaitanya. You cannot exactly describe ‘Chaitanya’, but every moment it exists in your existence. There is no place without it but it has no form or name. In that it resembles air, which has no colour or form to be seen, and whose existence however is unquestionable, Suddha Chaitanya is called Brahman. The wise do upsana of it under the name ‘Brahman’ and then, are called Brahmavit. Vegetable, animal, human and all other lives are contained within it. It is the original cause of all appearance, perceptions and knowledge. It is the one root of the many. It pervades everything. It may be characterised as Sat-reality, Chit-consciousness, Ananda-bliss and Ekatvaunity. All of us are that. We are not distinct from it.

--- end extract from Sai Baba's Charters and Sayings by B.V. Narasimhaswami ---

Now the author of the book, Shri B.V. Narasimhaswami,, is regarded as a great apostle of Shirdi Sai Baba. But B.V. Narasimhaswami never saw or interacted with physical form Shirdi Sai Baba!!! This is like how the Apostle Paul had never seen or interacted with Jesus Christ but who, after his legendary conversion on the road to Damascus, became one of the most important apostles of Jesus Christ and one of the most important founders of the Christian church. To get to know direct experiences of physical form Jesus Christ we need to focus on the four canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, in the New Testament.

Coming to the supposed Baba quotes and lengthy explanations given in Narasimhaswami's book, I have to confess that I have some doubts about its authenticity. I wonder whether Narasimhaswami has added his views on such matters but given them under Shirdi Sai Baba's name to gain more weight for those words!!! We are seeing something similar happen in our Sathya Sai movement after Mahasamadhi, aren't we!!!

I had a quick look at the pdf document to see if Narasimhaswami gives references for such quotes and lengthy explanations from Baba from some say, Marathi book written by Chandorkar or Dixit or others who had direct experience of Shirdi Sai Baba and conversations with him (or recorded by authors who spoke to Chandorkar, Dixit and others and provide proof of such recordings). But I could not find such references! Maybe if I look harder and more carefully I will find it. Anyway, I am not able to accept these quotes and lengthy explanations attributed to Shirdi Sai Baba in Narasimhaswami's book UNLESS I find proper references.

For me as a Sathya Sai devotee, Shri Narayan Kasturi and Dr. John Hislop have been vital instruments in recording directly from Sathya Sai Avatar, his views on various spiritual, religious and even social matters, in books and spiritual magazines (like Sanathana Sarathi). I learned a lot about Sathya Sai life and teachings through these books and magazines. And I don't really have doubts about the authenticity of Swami's words as recorded in these books and magazines (some minor editing work may be there but that's it). I cannot say the same of B.V. Narasimhaswami's book on Shirdi Sai Baba.

So I think devotees who have had experiences with physical form Sathya Sai, writing truthfully and lovingly towards Sathya Sai about their experiences will be a really vital contribution to accurately and faithfully preserving the life and teachings of Sathya Sai Baba for future generations/posterity. Mind you, in 2016 nearly a century after Shirdi Sai Baba gave up his body (1918), I am very keen to know more about Shirdi Sai Baba from authentic sources but find that such material is rather limited (Sai Satcharita and few other books). So what Sathya Sai devotees record now may be useful to somebody like me a century later who is trying to research AUTHENTIC experiences and teachings of Sathya Sai Baba, even though there is a lot of such literature already available today.

And then there is the matter of generations of the devotee's family wanting to know about their ancestor's direct experiences with physical form Sathya Sai. Even if the world at large may not be so interested, some descendants of the devotee may be very interested.

Wednesday, October 5, 2016

Let us always be reverential towards Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's Samadhi, and towards flower decoration work on it

A part of a comment of brother Venky Pulipati on another Facebook post, is given below (slightly edited):

"SAMADHI IS THE SANCTUM SANCTORUM of the WORLD SAI MISSION. Millions of people pray from wherever they are to Swami. I am repeatedly requesting and I am requesting again and again, let us not be even for a second, less reverential with our silly baseless allegations on SAMADHI AND FLOWER DECORATION. Though I don’t have mandate, with courage, on behalf of all my brothers, I reiterate that SAMADHI and any activity related to SAMADHI should be out of our discussion."

Ravi: I endorse the above view of brother Venky Pulipati with a small qualification given below. Venky Pulipati is an alumnus of Swami's school in Ooty and Prasanthi Nilayam.

The marble Samadhi was unveiled in July 2011, [Additional reference with many pics:]. It is now over five years since that event. As brother Venky Pulipati has pointed out, the Samadhi has become the SANCTUM SANCTORUM of the WORLD SATHYA SAI MISSION. In my considered view, it is very, very irresponsible to publicly keep re-circulating in social media and over email newsletters, unsubstantiated allegations related to the construction of the (marble) Samadhi.

How much distaste this may create in the minds of some devotees who want to approach the Samadhi of Bhagavan with a pure and fully devoted heart, and who happen to read social media posts and mails having these unsubstantiated allegations! Will that not make Bhagavan unhappy??? Based on what I have seen of Bhagavan in physical form, I have to say that I think it will. Let us not cause unhappiness to Bhagavan in this manner.

Regarding flower decoration of Samadhi matter: While it is an inescapable and very unpleasant FACT that it is a Sai university alumnus (MBA gold medalist) who is making the FALSE CLAIM of being a medium/communicator of Bhagavan, and that his claim is endorsed by a former warden and a former vice-chancellor of Sai university, and who (medium/communicator) was and is being supported by many Sai university and Sai school alumni, I think the Sai university and Sai schools alumni involved in management of funds for the flower decoration of Samadhi work, would be spending their own money for the work rather than even entertaining any thought of misusing those funds. There is HUGE level of emotion and devotion to Bhagavan associated with such work. I believe the alumni made an earnest prayer that this service activity of flower decoration of Samadhi be given to them, and the ashram authorities agreed to their prayer/request. As a former teacher in the Sai university, Prasanthi Nilayam campus (designations of Honorary Staff, Honorary Faculty and Visiting Faculty from Jan. 2003 to Mar. 2012 offering free service), I find it very, very hard to believe that any Sai university or school alumnus will even entertain the thought of financial wrongdoing related to such a blessed and cherished service (Seva) activity of flower decoration of Bhagavan's Samadhi.

One should be very, very careful in making allegations of financial wrong doing in such work. In particular, if there are any serious allegations they should be privately raised with SUPPORTING EVIDENCE to top office bearers of Prasanthi Nilayam. Only if these office bearers are not in a position to provide suitable responses and/or initiate corrective action, should such matters be raised publicly in social media and email newsletters. And if one does not have supporting evidence but only some vague suspicions, one should not say anything at all.

In short what I am saying is that for Samadhi construction and flower decoration matter, please be very, very discreet in any efforts to look into any allegations of financial wrongdoing, as deep emotional and devotional feelings of Sathya Sai devotees towards the Samadhi of Bhagavan, are involved.

My associated Facebook post,, has a few comments which some readers may want to have a look at.

Thursday, September 29, 2016

"Firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence" and USA Declaration of Independence, 1776

I recently watched a video where a quite well known Conservative values speaker in the USA, Mr. Glenn Beck, was focusing on the phrase, "firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence" in the founding documents of the USA. The speaker also claimed that he places a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence for his business activities (radio talk show host, book writer and more).

I found it quite interesting that USA founding documents had such content, and so decided to do some reading up on it. It is the USA Declaration of Independence on July 4th 1776, that has this phrase as well as some very lofty phrases. This document seems to be main formal document with names & signatures where the leaders of the American revolutionaries wanting independence from their then ruler, Great Britain, openly and boldly proclaimed their independence and seem to have indicated their willingness to fight a war of independence with Great Britain to protect/achieve their independence.

Given below are a few extracts from a transcript of it,

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

--- end extracts from transcript of USA Declaration of Independence ---

Ravi: So the phrase, "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence", is in the context of the signatories mutually pledging to each other their lives, fortune and honour, to support the declaration of independence. It is not an open-ended statement about relying on the protection of divine Providence for everything related to USA. However, I do understand how some persons may (and I think do) interpret it/extend it in that manner. "In God We Trust" is the motto of the USA (adopted in 1956), and appears on USA Dollar bills/notes (paper currency); see

Now I must say that as a devout believer in Almighty God I do have immense respect for those people who have such a reliance on the protection of divine Providence, for anything and everything in their lives. In this post, I am focusing on the content of USA founding documents in this regard.

Some information about this Declation of Independence from is given below:

Drafted by Thomas Jefferson between June 11 and June 28, 1776, the Declaration of Independence is at once the nation's most cherished symbol of liberty and Jefferson's most enduring monument. Here, in exalted and unforgettable phrases, Jefferson expressed the convictions in the minds and hearts of the American people. The political philosophy of the Declaration was not new; its ideals of individual liberty had already been expressed by John Locke and the Continental philosophers. What Jefferson did was to summarize this philosophy in "self-evident truths" and set forth a list of grievances against the King in order to justify before the world the breaking of ties between the colonies and the mother country.

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Ravi: Some of the signatories to this document paid a heavy price for this act of rebellion against Great Britain. From

Five of the signers were captured as traitors and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary War; another had two sons captured. Nine died from wounds or from the hardships of the war. [Ravi: The Declaration document had 56 signatures.]
During his first inaugural address in 1789, President George Washington, a man who was raised up by God [Ravi: "raised up by God" is a belief/view from this article from the Mormon church, USA (The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)], said: “No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the affairs of men, more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency” (First Inaugural Address, 30 Apr. 1789).

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Readers may want to view my post, Main events in founding of the United States of America as an independent country,

[I thank and and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above extracts (short extracts from from their websites on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Monday, September 26, 2016

Divine Glory of Prasanthi Nilayam, Sathya Sai Avatar's abode, just as powerful as before

Last updated on 29th Sept. 2016

A correspondent from a foreign country (not India) wrote the following to me over email (slightly edited; correspondent was OK with public sharing):

--Name-snipped-- claims that Prashanti Nilayam is losing its glory. What does he base this on? When did he last come to Prashanti Nilayam? What facts did he observe that led him to this conclusion?

I’ve been to Prashanti Nilayam more recently than --name-snipped-- and found the Divine Glory of the Avatar’s abode just as powerful as when Swami was physically present. Not only that, when our youth went for the World Youth Festival they came back filled with stories of Swami’s miracles which they experienced in Prashanti Nilayam, including having His darshan. Yet --name-snipped-- and his ‘friends’ and ‘sources’ in Puttaparthi see only human dramas and politicking. How sad for them. To be in the holiest place on earth and utterly waste that rare and Divinely granted opportunity. Swami said that the world is only reaction, reflection and resound. Whatever is within you, that is what you will see in the world.

Some comments from my Facebook post,, having the same content as above, are given below:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: "Swami said that the world is only reaction, reflection and resound. Whatever is within you, that is what you will see in the world." - Perfect Sathya Sai words of wisdom for this matter, in my considered opinion.

Venkat Reddy wrote: I was in Prashanthi Nilayam in Jan-Feb and was inspired beyond words. i tried to put my experiences and insights into words to share with friends but i still couldn't quite communicate the feeling.

The only way i could was to return there myself with my family. Which i did. Only to have my treasure trove of memories and experiences spill over, yet again.

Prashanthi Nilayam, above and beyond all places on earth, remains my Divine Mother's Home. The reach of Her Love and all enveloping presence at Prashanthi Nilayam has to be experienced, not debated. Like Swami. Om Sai Ram

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Wonderful words, bro. Venkat Reddy. Thanks for sharing.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Sairam Vr Ganti sir. Thank you for liking this post. I appreciate such support from you, sir, for Prasanthi Nilayam, the Holy Abode of Shiva-Shakti Swarupa, Kali Yuga Avatar, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi.

Vr Ganti wrote (edited): Ravi S. Iyer Do you think I dont love SWAMI? Are you saying that I dont know about SWAMI? Or do you think that I am doing something against SWAMI?

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Sairam Vr Ganti sir, have I ever questioned your love for Swami? Show me one comment/post of mine where I have done that.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Vr Ganti sir, My disagreement with you is about your approach to help Prasanthi Nilayam. What you view as helping Prasanthi Nilayam is being viewed by some as hurting Prasanthi Nilayam. I do not want to debate this point more with you, sir, as it will become an emotional issue. I just wanted you to be aware that this is how some Prasanthi Nilayam and Puttaparthi supporters feel.

Mahabaleshwar Ip wrote: to b frank i see only good things happening in PN, more and more people r coming, more and more activities(sometimes i use to think better than whn Swamy was in physical Form), our elders are doing their best to retain the sanctity and the regular activities in the abode, we should help them in the same very important thing we should never forget that The Lord created this wonderful Land Called Prasanthi Nilayam, sure it wll grant peace and harmony to the Humanity, whn God Himself created this He wll take care of everything let's not doubt in this, let's only follow His teachings atleast 1%, that's enough, whn we think we r doing, we r controlling, we r leading - leads to more problems.....HE is the Doer, controller and everything, let's not fall in the Maya He created, instead let's Hold on to His Divine stop complaining, Parthi is as beautiful and as Peaceful as before, Welcome to your Mother's Home......Sairam
[The pic below was attached to above comment]

Mahabaleshwar Ip wrote: Sairam Ravi Bro., pl forgive me if iam Wrong.......... ................. Find the sweetness in your own heart, then you may find the sweetness in every heart.

~ Rumi

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: Sairam and thanks for your supportive comments, brother Mahabaleshwar Ip.

Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote: PN is, was and will always be our home, home of our mother. No home is without Issues and problems. But at large when one thinks of home, we only recall the sweet memories, the happiness one experienced when the Mother was physically there and how much we miss the presence today. Today our home is like that where the elder who we all looked up to is not there, a home where the children have to now learn the ropes of running the show while all the while dealing with the pain of the loss. Things will smooth out eventually with the Swaami's grace, say that with hope and faith but the glory shall never fade or wane. Sairam.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (edited): Well said, Shubha Ramesh Kumar. Thanks.

An elder told me that everybody in Muddenahalli DOES NOT do Sashtanga Namaskar to Narasimhamurthy sir

Firstly, I am NOT a supporter of Muddenahalli group. I publicly write that belief in so called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, is a FALSE BELIEF, and write against the SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT Muddenahalli group has become for Sathya Sai movement worldwide.

However, I would like to keep a balanced and truthful stand, and so am putting up this post. Today I had a meeting and conversation with an elder who interacts with Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy at Muddenahalli. Recently I saw a photograph (see attached pic) of somebody doing Sashtanga Namaskar to Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy sir (BNNM) and was wondering whether BNNM had now acquired a Swami kind of stature among Muddenahalli group. I frankly asked this elder about it.

The elder dismissed it and said that, in this matter, BNNM is like the warden (sir) that he was before Mahasamadhi and that he speaks to people with love and respect. In fact, the elder shared with me that in end 2012 he himself wanted to do Sashtanga Namaskar to BNNM, after seeing some achievements of BNNM and others then. But, the elder told me today, BNNM had then objected very strongly and pleaded with him not to do such things. BNNM told him that they both were only devotees of Swami working on Swami's mission.

The elder said that some youngsters do such Sashtanga Namaskar to BNNM but it is not that most people do such Sashtanga Namaskar to BNNM (even today).

As the elder regularly visits Muddenahalli, and is quite well known to me, I give a lot of value to his words in this matter. I felt it appropriate to share this info. with others in the interest of giving a balanced view of the matter.

Note that my putting up this post DOES NOT MEAN that I approve of Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy's (BNNM's) actions in endorsing FALSE BELIEF in communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, and in the SERIOUS DIVISIVE THREAT that Muddenahalli group of which he is a key leader, poses to Sathya Sai movement worldwide. In fact, I strongly disapprove of these actions of BNNM.

A comment I made on the associated Facebook post,, is given below.

--Name-snipped--, Yes, I do see the danger of dominance from BNNM possibility as shown in this pic. And so a BNNM cult forming (if it has not formed already). But ... the elder I spoke to had a different take. Maybe the elder also does not have the full picture.